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were present arms that are flying there

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- found and is now in the possession of

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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network and kgr a the global rain

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masses yeah how are you doing how do you

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you know I'm good today's Wednesday

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286 days into the new year hunson years

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79 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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state the black and tonight tonight is

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night three of our Egypt week here on

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pain to black and I would like to say

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it's been an amazing amazing time here

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amazing and it's about it's about the

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knowledge we'll be talking about that

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all night tonight with our guest Brad

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Claussen is here that's right

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artist Brad Claussen more on Brad in

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just a bit three nights three first-time

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incredible tomorrow night is another

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Fator night open lines all night long

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and you know what to do on social media

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you can go chase us down on on stellar

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ons te ll a are calm on stellar calm of

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course Twitter at J Church radio you can

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do that there on Twitter hashtag if to

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be is the sandbox come and join in on

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all of the amazing conversation I see

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all the retweets here I'm gonna go ahead

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and do it I see what you guys are doing

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and YouTube Facebook everything is Jimmy

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any questions or comments on the show

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tonight hashtag F to be on Twitter all

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of that is very simple and what you guys

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are doing you guys are retweeting yes

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and I got a new guitar for my birthday

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from Rita and Deanna and Nicole thank

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you for it yes it is a beautiful white

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Olympic white Stratocaster it is hanging

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on the wall behind me and there you go

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so that's what that is and it is

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Billy Segal and our manager over at

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Fender guitars fender instruments for

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assisting in the big surprise Thank You

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now you're just a really really cool

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it is right there it's uh it plays as

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nice as it looks - this is one of the

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that smell and every time just like

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buying a new car and every time you get

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a new car and you jump in you're like

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man that new car smell it's the same

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thing with guitars you open that thing

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up and when there's a there's a smell

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this spell is that an Olympic white

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apparently smells best so with that yes

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today is my birthday so thank you for

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all of the birthday wishes they've been

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coming in all day long thank you thank

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you double nickel 55 years old

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and I got a really cool gift today from

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mate' Meyer and so before we do that

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there you go all right yeah he sent me

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elo at Wembley or bust the DVD

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collection thank you for that and he

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also sent me the movie Soyuz 7 which it

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and thank you for that 70s or u7 which

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is one of the craziest stories in in all

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of space travel and so leaves seven if

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you haven't seen the movie check it out

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I'm gonna re-watch it I've seen it Rita

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when we watched saw you seven the first

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Monta sent us this he didn't know we see

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soy seven and read is like man I grew up

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in Russia I would have remembered this

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if it was true this is the craziest

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story ever

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well turned out to be true

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and if you haven't seen it saw you seven

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maybe one night on the show will cover

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it and I'll bring on somebody to talk

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about soy seven because if you think

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Apollo 13 was nuts soy seven was every

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bit not as crazy crazier than Apollo 13

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Russia had their own Apollo 13 so you

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seven okay so with that let's get to

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Brad Claussen is here you can email

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throughout the show tonight Jimmy at

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Jimmy Church radio calm and let me get

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to the breaking news that has been going

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on all day long today I don't think you

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missed some of this because today the

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Dow plunged nearly eight hundred and

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thirty-two points today the third worst

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point decline in history all 30 dau

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stocks were in the red sending the index

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below twenty-six thousand points for the

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first time in a month

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the index fell by more than three

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percent that's not all the sp500 posted

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its fifth straight decline plummeting

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nearly 3.3 percent tech stocks got hit

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and the Nasdaq dropped more than 4% in

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the worst percentage decline since June

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things always you know they say to go up

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you got to go down to go to hunt you got

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to go up all that stuff comes into play

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here or we seen some kind of

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Equalization I don't want another repeat

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of 2008 now man there you go but it did

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I don't know how much money was lost

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today I'm gonna get to some other

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numbers here in just a bit

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also today hurricane Michael made

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landfall hit the Florida Panhandle today

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I watched it all day live on television

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it is still playing out it's been

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downgraded to a category one that was

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right before the show it's probably down

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to just a tropical storm by this point

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but it was big winds it was big damage

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and so far only one death has been

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reported now they're going in now and

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all the first responders are able to go

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in it and and and get through this some

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of the footage is just incredible but it

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it was very close to being a category 5

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it was just a couple of miles per hour

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off of the wind speed but it was a it

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was a gnarly day today with that but I'm

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gonna say only one death so far reported

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and not that we haven't had that much

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bad news I would say that everybody

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prepared for this and and responded to

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it so let you know fingers crossed right

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now no big catastrophic crazy stuff

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coming out we're not gonna have a repeat

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of Katrina for sure and also today now

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you this may have gotten away from all

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of you so that's why you're here Griese

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news out of Greece Greece has banned

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overweight American tourists from

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writing donkeys on the popular I

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of santorini after activists complained

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that they were suffering spinal injuries

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the donkey sightseers often pay to ride

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the donkeys up steep slopes from the

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shore to the islands main town but

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transporting heavier travelers Americans

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has taken its toll on the creatures and

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prompted anger from campaign groups

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people wishing to ride the donkeys will

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now have to wait n 220 pounds or 1/5 of

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the donkeys total body weight what do

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you make of that I was just kidding

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about the Americans part no I wasn't

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yeah I was no I I wasn't I wasn't ok

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here we go other numbers news it's gonna

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blow your mind are you ready

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video ads that you see all day long

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video ads on the internet right video

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ads you can't escape them video ads

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today account for about 1/4 of all

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Facebook is absolutely dominant in that

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space accounting for 25% of digital

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advertising revenue this year how much

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is that in dollars great question and

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Facebook's us video ad revenue including

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Instagram is projected to total six

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point eight one billion dollars this

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year that's over twice as much as the

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net revenue from second-place Google

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that's right Google will generate from

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YouTube less than half three point three

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let's get the show crackin happy

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as head David Lee Roth today is 64 years

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old and also may see that bug some crazy

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bug down here just just buzzed my head

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did you see that do you see it on the

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camera

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BAM what's cool freaky tiny little dude

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also today one of my one of my fast

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growing at the top of my list in singer

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dim

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today Lizzy Hale is 34 years old she's

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the singer for hailstorm and she shreds

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to man she's got those explorers she's a

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shredder she really is and she's a great

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singer great singer hail storm if you

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haven't checked out a hail well they won

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a Grammy a few years ago for album of

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the year but just great singer great

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great front woman great guitar player

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all right have you seen their new video

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what does that thing called mm it's a

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good video it's on poison foie and she's

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great anyway Lizzy Hale today is 34 on

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this day in history

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Oh t d 1987 it went down it did the

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world changed on this day in 1987

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because it was the day that Whitesnake

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released the video for here I go again

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featuring two Jaguars and Tawny Kitaen

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[Laughter]

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yeah that's why you love this show come

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on admit it

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fader fact how many licks does it take

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to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop

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right we've this is one of the big

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unanswered questions of the universe

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well the world may never know but on

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average a licking machine made at Purdue

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University in Indiana needed just 364

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and that is your fader fact tonight

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night three of our Egypt week here on

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fade to black we have very special guest

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artist Brad Claussen joints the show he

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is absolutely amazing he is featured in

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the magical Egypt documentary series by

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chance Gardner he's also going to be

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featured I think on the closing night

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we'll talk about that tonight

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of the magical Egypt online symposium

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that is going on right now you can sign

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up for that over at magical Egypt calm

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tonight artist Brad Claussen tomorrow

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night is another Fator night with open

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lines all night long all right let me

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hit this coffee

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fade to black blend fade to black but we

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got a burr grinder now and a burger is

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that Tawny Kitaen Eric Eric you are just

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[Laughter]

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that's funny that's funny okay anyway if

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you want to see what we're laughing

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about so over to hash tag f2b follow me

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on twitter at GH urge radium and and

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then head straight over okay let me hit

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this fade to black blend because with

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the knowledge that we've been spreading

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all week long and of course I I went

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over and hung out with chance for a

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couple hours for the magical Egypt

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symposium and I talked about this last

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night with with Christopher Dunn and you

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know was with Chris also on Monday with

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my new save Tzadik and the thing that I

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need to constantly reestablish yet our

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footing back is okay look just let me

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lay it out for you

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the story kind of goes like this all

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right let me cut to the chase the

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official history of the world the one

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that they want us to believe and have

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been teaching us for generations is that

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everything started around 3000 BC

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in Egypt followed by Greece and Rome

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which didn't happen by the way for

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another 2,500 years or so you know right

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in there no real mention of ancient

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Sumer they don't talk about China that

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will bring up Northern Europe or Central

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or South America they don't bring up

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Australian the Aborigines they don't do

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it no they it's just not talked about

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but the other part of the story that

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gets repeated over and over again is

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that early man humans the very start of

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everything of us came out of central and

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southern Africa right yeah they'll bring

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that they'll bring that up too and I'm

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gonna get back to this point in a minute

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so just stay with me while Egypt and

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Mesopotamia were rocketing off with

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technology and they did there's no

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question about it the first schools

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first music the first laws the first

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courts the first governments and

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agriculture and streets infrastructure

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right cities all of this stuff happened

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at the same time right there Egypt and

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Mesopotamia but while this was happening

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islands in the Mediterranean were also

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jumping at the same time but they don't

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talk about this and if you really get

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down to some technical points at the

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same time 3,000 of 3200 BC yeah but

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something strange happened because

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everything collapsed and for five to six

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hundred years the whole area went into a

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dark age again and a very serious Dark

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Age one that isn't talked about you know

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we talk about what went down in Europe

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and and Great Britain we talk about

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those dark ages but we don't talk about

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what happened in the Aegean Sea in

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virtually nothing was written and in

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that period for about a thousand years

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no from 3200 BC to to around 2000 BC all

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the way up you know touching you know

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the this period they had everything all

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of the knowledge and progress was

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happening it in in this one area of the

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world and you had the Mediterranean the

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Aegean Sea at the Nile Valley you had

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the Mediterranean you know from Greece

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all the way over to Israel you know

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heading east into Syria and Iraq a crazy

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amount of knowledge all bursting at the

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seams at the same time and you could

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draw a circle around it you just draw

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the circle right right there outside of

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it

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Stone Age nothingness was going on right

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and our so that's what they want us to

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to believe that's what they want to

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teach us that's what they want us to

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think well I tried to drive this point

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home as often as I can

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but if we think about that circle that

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imaginary circle right all the way over

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to the ease to Sumer you know new

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freight ease you know Israel right there

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you know Lebanon that whole part of the

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Mediterranean of course going down to

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Egypt and then you go up to to southern

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Greece and and the Aegean Sea and those

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islands that were up there you know that

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circle but this is where it gets strange

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you have to ask yourself where did the

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foundation of all of this knowledge come

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from because it seems that it should

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have come from southern Africa because

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after all civilization had a four

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million year jump on things right but it

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didn't

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first and this is very important the

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islands of Greece and the Aegean Sea

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should have had things happening 20 to

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200 years before Egypt and they may have

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but they lost it they went into the Dark

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Age and apparently while things were

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developed for the Minoans and it was it

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was jumping off things were really cool

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but they had no idea they did some

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trading you know some superficial

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communication going down but they had no

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idea about the truly amazing things that

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were happening in a in in Egypt and they

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did any any idea what was going on and

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Sumer but this is where history really

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comes off the rails and it's gobekli

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tepe gobekli tepe discovered in 1995

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before that the history books were solid

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in the way that they approached the

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start of everything at 3,000 BC again

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and I'm gonna repeat it was Egypt Greece

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then Rome and they just eliminate

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everything else but yes it was gobekli

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tepe

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did the knowledge travel north from

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southern Africa right up through Egypt

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over to Sumer and then up to Armenia and

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gobekli tepe remember was Armenia back

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then it wasn't done wasn't modern-day

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Turkey that was Armenia no it didn't it

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didn't happen that way

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gobekli tepe happened seven thousand

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years before the nile valley before the

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freight ease in the Tigris Rivers which

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means that the tech came from the north

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there was no trail of evidence from

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south to north and if we look at things

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as we should with everything as we

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priests as its presented today and as we

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know it everything that we've been told

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doesn't hold up in fact

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it's the exact opposite now this is what

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I think as well hi this is how I think

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the education system is going to start

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to approach this I think the next search

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is for real history will take place

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around the Black Sea modern-day Bulgaria

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Romania Ukraine you know on the east

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side you know Georgia you know Russia

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itself they'll say that it's probably

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from these regions that an ancient

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culture existed and thrived and and

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taught the builders of Gobekli Tepe that

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the knowledge came from the north and

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went south and and that knowledge spread

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in that direction but we're a little too

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smart for that especially here on fade

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to black it all came from the center of

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that circle that I mentioned earlier

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think about it that circle and gobekli

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tepe if you draw that circle correctly

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and you go through ancient Sumer up at

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the top edge of that circle that you

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draw is gobekli tepe

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it's part of it think about it seriously

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the knowledge started in the center

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there Nile Sumer right ancient Greece

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3000 BC and in Quebec Lee Tepe is up

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there it's part of this circle even

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though it was seven thousand years

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before need to think about this and

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don't let the man snow us on this we're

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too smart it happened the opposite the

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exact opposite as they are trying to

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teach us in the history books today

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think about that we're gonna discuss all

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of this tonight because it is night

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three of our Egypt week and we have very

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special guest artist Brad Klaus and

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joins a show now what you need to do

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this is what I would do I'm gonna head

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towards a break right here while I'm at

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this break you need to google Brad

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Claussen KL aus

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and that's it click on images go and

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look at Brad's artwork you're gonna get

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a grasp of who we have on this show

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tonight and his research into ancient

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Egypt and symbolism and what is going on

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not only throughout history and its

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influence on cultures around the world

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but all the way through to today and his

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own personal artwork the other artwork

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that he does and in through out pop

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culture it's going to be a great show

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tonight

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I'm your host Jimmy Church I'm the game

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changer network and kgr a the planet

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this is fade to black stay with us I'll

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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fade to black on Jimmy Church radio.com

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and the game-changer Network you're

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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when you take the beams from Central

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America with dashes of indonesian and

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african mixed in and then roast it to

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black

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I'm yo CB Church night three of our

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Egypt week right here on fade to black

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great week to amazing week we're gonna

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wrap things up tonight with artist Brad

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Claussen who grew up right here in

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Southern California he moved to Seattle

625
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:02,080
in 1999 to begin a nine-year career as

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the in-house designer for Pearl Jam in

627
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:09,760
July 2007 he launched artillery design

628
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:11,590
his one-man design shop where he

629
00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:13,600
continues to make posters for Pearl Jam

630
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:16,840
Built to Spill widespread panic think

631
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:19,810
you know Brad I'm gonna continue with

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this but the list of bands is long and

633
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I've cut it off here because I just want

634
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to whip it out on everybody here in just

635
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a bit so we'll do that in just a second

636
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his new book it's called new from a

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00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:33,880
basement in Seattle the poster art of

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00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:36,130
Brad Claussen is an extensive look into

639
00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:38,620
the creative process on how he designs

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all of this imagery for these rock

641
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posters but tonight we're gonna discuss

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not only his journey in discovering the

643
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symbology in ancient Egyptian art and

644
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:50,770
sculpture and his contribution to the

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magical Egypt documentary and supposin

646
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but we're gonna talk about how he uses

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it today in his own artwork both

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personal and in the world of rock and

649
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roll and how it exists throughout pop

650
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culture and our education system his

651
00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:06,910
website is artillery design.com and I

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would like to welcome for the first time

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to fade to black Brad Claussen Brad how

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00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:13,870
are you good evening man I'm good Jimmy

655
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,510
how are you I am fantastic I'm so glad

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that you're here

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but you know what before we get started

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Brad we've got to do the first-time

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guests disclaimer okay it's simple man

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it's just it's just you and I sitting on

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my couch having a conversation as

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friends and where the conversation

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starts it starts and where it ends it

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ends but we're gonna end as friends

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there you go see easy see you were

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sweating there for a second oh thank you

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so much man

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I don't know how old you are but I I hit

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the double nickel the double nickel I

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can't even believe it

671
00:36:01,140 --> 00:35:58,930
you know and you and I were talking

672
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:01,150
before the show we're talking rock and

673
00:36:04,799 --> 00:36:03,130
roll for right you know we couldn't get

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00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:04,809
off the phone right having so much fun

675
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:08,170
right and and you you got a pretty good

676
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,690
taste of my history right we have a lot

677
00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:12,880
of mutual friends between the two of us

678
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and yeah that's me I don't you know I

679
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:19,630
don't I'm 55 I can't I can't even

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00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:21,880
believe it I just I don't know where the

681
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:25,030
years went and I don't feel it I I hope

682
00:36:29,549 --> 00:36:27,400
I don't look it but yeah I never thought

683
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that you know in the world of rock and

684
00:36:34,799 --> 00:36:32,559
roll you know 55 but here we are you

685
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:34,809
know there you go that it's it's funny

686
00:36:39,089 --> 00:36:37,660
you say that because I it's brought to

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my attention a lot of the times that the

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00:36:43,799 --> 00:36:41,339
the artwork that I do for different

689
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:43,809
bands a lot of those bands are in their

690
00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:47,530
50s I mean you know Pearl Jam Queens of

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00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:49,480
the Stone Age the Foo Fighters are doing

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00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:51,849
their you know late 40s to their early

693
00:36:57,329 --> 00:36:55,930
fifties and that's an interesting thing

694
00:36:59,220 --> 00:36:57,339
to observe but there's all these bands

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00:37:02,039 --> 00:36:59,230
big rock bands that are still doing it

696
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:02,049
and you know ya look at Metallica man

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00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:06,130
and if we think if we think Metallica is

698
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:08,980
right behind the stones as far as it

699
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,940
goes you know and still doing it and

700
00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:15,040
they sound great and that you know these

701
00:37:20,819 --> 00:37:17,140
sound as good as they've ever sounded

702
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:20,829
but we're talking about guys that are

703
00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:23,230
gonna be an assisted-living here very

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00:37:31,859 --> 00:37:29,859
soon you know you know today is David

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00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:31,869
Lee Roth's birthday he's he's what he's

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00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:38,170
66 today 66 now when we were kids and

707
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:41,410
lot when Roth was a kid 66 was the

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00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:43,990
anti-establishment and that was the man

709
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:50,700
where are we today when David Lee Roth

710
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:53,950
is 66 years old oh man

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00:37:59,130 --> 00:37:55,750
yeah yeah I'll tell you a funny story

712
00:38:01,800 --> 00:37:59,140
and then we're gonna move on Van Halen's

713
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:01,810
one of my favorite bands right just

714
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:03,910
it's my top one or two bands of all time

715
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:08,650
and I'm driving this is about 15 years

716
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,550
ago and I'm in the car and I've got my

717
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:15,280
daughters are in the backseat and dance

718
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,390
the night away comes on the radio and I

719
00:38:24,330 --> 00:38:22,000
crank it up just crank it and I'm just

720
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:24,340
playing air drums and air guitar and I'm

721
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:26,230
driving the car and I'm just rocking out

722
00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:30,520
and and it's such a fresh sounding song

723
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:32,440
to me it's timeless right it's gonna

724
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:34,780
sound great in 50 years just like it

725
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,900
sounds great today and and I turn to my

726
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,240
daughters like to hurt it down but I go

727
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:42,640
isn't this great

728
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:53,250
that was their response this is old

729
00:38:59,310 --> 00:38:57,280
people's music yeah it's funny I'd like

730
00:39:05,130 --> 00:38:59,320
that I used to get him on as a kid he's

731
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:05,140
a he's a big Neil Diamond's guy and I've

732
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:06,520
always asked him to play Holi Holi

733
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:08,890
because it would be one of the few times

734
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:10,330
where he would just crank the stereo and

735
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:12,190
rock out and as a kid it was kind of

736
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:13,710
cool when a few times to see your dad

737
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:16,270
actually they just sort of not care and

738
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:17,530
rock out in town the steering wheel and

739
00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:19,390
be stoked so right I think it's good for

740
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:20,830
I think it's good for kids to see that

741
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:24,310
and it's it's so funny that you know and

742
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:26,710
I like Neil you know he's a cool guy and

743
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:29,350
everything but our parents went through

744
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:30,940
the same things that we're going through

745
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:35,080
today it's the cycle of life right where

746
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:37,870
the music that our parents listened to

747
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:40,600
and if you think about it in and what

748
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:43,900
they were listening to in 1968 was

749
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:46,120
either you know the stones are like the

750
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:53,650
Dave Clark Five how ancient is that but

751
00:40:01,050 --> 00:39:57,910
yet you know 1965 and and how things

752
00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:01,060
change between 1965 to 1970 with

753
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:03,070
Woodstock and Jimi Hendrix and Led

754
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:06,430
Zeppelin and Black Sabbath and you know

755
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:10,660
the things deep purple things changed

756
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:13,960
very very quickly so now you've got a

757
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,310
generation

758
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:18,160
you know by 1975 with with Ted Nugent

759
00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:22,570
and and Zeppelin and UFO and whatever

760
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:25,750
you know these these Judas Priest right

761
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:29,170
and and how quickly that generation

762
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:31,180
changed it flipped it went from Dave

763
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:34,900
Clark Five and Herman's Hermits to deep

764
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:40,090
purple highway star Wow right right and

765
00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:42,550
yeah well it's even like the Beatles

766
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:43,780
going from you know I want to hold your

767
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:50,560
hand you know no doubt about it no doubt

768
00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:53,290
and and we've seen the same generational

769
00:41:00,120 --> 00:40:57,160
changes with through through us right

770
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:00,130
now where we went through you and I were

771
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:01,600
talking about this world we went through

772
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:07,810
big hair and the MTV age of 85 86 87 to

773
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:10,470
rapidly flipping things over with

774
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:13,060
Soundgarden and Pearl Jam and Nirvana

775
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:16,030
and the whole grunge scene which

776
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:19,090
dominated the world I mean it just took

777
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:25,330
over flannel shirts and in heroin you

778
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:28,690
know and that whole thing that grunge

779
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:31,330
thing it snuck up on us and we didn't

780
00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:34,390
expect that either and it's it's crazy

781
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:37,720
it's crazy how we've seen it I would say

782
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:38,980
then even the same thing to what you're

783
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:40,360
talking about though is that like I've

784
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:43,690
definitely become the old man who thinks

785
00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:46,180
that music is not nearly as good as it

786
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:47,320
was when you like you're saying they're

787
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:48,760
like I'm the you know the old man is

788
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:50,710
Muse you call that music you know and I

789
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:54,310
think I think hip-hop I'm not that big a

790
00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:55,450
hip-hop head but I pay a little bit

791
00:42:00,300 --> 00:41:57,580
attention to it um I think hip-hop is

792
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:00,310
having its sort of hair metal kind of

793
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:02,710
phase I think there's there's with all

794
00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:04,360
the mumble rap all that stuff I feel

795
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:09,390
like that scene is due for some sort of

796
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:12,430
sort of pendulum swing in the same way

797
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:13,720
that you have like the hair bands and

798
00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:15,010
grunge came in and kind of knocked it

799
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:17,620
off I feel like this to me when I look

800
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:19,750
at modern-day hip-hop I go that's this

801
00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:22,330
is the you know the late 80s with in LA

802
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:23,740
and it's all the Sunset Strip and it's

803
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:25,150
all those bands and stuff like that and

804
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:27,270
like you said that nobody saw

805
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:29,050
anticipated your Nirvana

806
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:30,340
garage coming and just sort of

807
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:34,650
destroying that whole team so I would

808
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:36,760
I'm kind of curious to see what's gonna

809
00:42:41,550 --> 00:42:38,110
happen and hip-hop because it seems like

810
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:41,560
it's it's a similar cycle you know what

811
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:41,920
I mean

812
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:44,650
yeah and I would have never I don't

813
00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:50,230
think anybody from 1975 to 1985 would

814
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:51,820
have ever seen

815
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:55,090
rock and roll going away right these

816
00:43:03,810 --> 00:42:59,280
huge stadiums Monsters of Rock Turin and

817
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:03,820
Cal Jam just crazy festivals in Europe

818
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:07,360
and the hugeness of it all right to

819
00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:10,990
Huntington and and and how powerful a

820
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:15,100
rock and roll was and it's it's it's not

821
00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:17,080
it's not around today

822
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:20,620
you know we support it with with with

823
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:24,010
the geriatric crowd and and we we love

824
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:26,440
we love our rock and roll but it doesn't

825
00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:28,630
dominate the airwaves you know it does

826
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:31,360
it's it's not anywhere and everything

827
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:33,700
goes through its phases because grunge

828
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:35,950
did the same thing you know I don't

829
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:40,780
think Eddie Vetter or even Kurt Cobain

830
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:42,790
with his you know short bursts through

831
00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:47,350
it or Soundgarden Allison chains I don't

832
00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:50,230
think any of them anticipated playing

833
00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:53,560
you know arenas you know that's right

834
00:43:58,350 --> 00:43:56,230
that that's not you know Stadium tours I

835
00:44:01,680 --> 00:43:58,360
don't think that they expected that but

836
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:01,690
but it happened and it went away what do

837
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:04,510
you think the next I think I was just

838
00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:07,180
summer I just saw I saw Pearl Jam play

839
00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:08,620
it safe go and I saw the Foo Fighters

840
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:10,660
played Cisco and if you look at pictures

841
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:12,460
of those shots of those those stadiums

842
00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:15,550
it's it's insane how many people it is

843
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,420
and it's a big arena rock show and it's

844
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:21,520
so it's not on you're right it's not on

845
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,560
the air on that on the airwaves but like

846
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:25,200
that stuff still but there's still

847
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,430
cutting you know butts in the seats

848
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:29,680
because if you go look at a photo of

849
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:31,270
curls and playing at Safeco it's it's

850
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:34,660
it's mind-blowing to me to the band you

851
00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:37,210
know 25 plus years into their career is

852
00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:39,400
is still having these massive shows like

853
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:40,340
that

854
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:47,450
Foo Fighters is definitely keeping the

855
00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:50,750
flag-waving you know those concerts that

856
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:52,790
they do over there at Wembley I mean

857
00:44:59,410 --> 00:44:55,610
it's just you watch that year's oh man

858
00:45:02,650 --> 00:44:59,420
yeah it's so yes but it's not the it's

859
00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:02,660
not the dominant force on this planet no

860
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:05,870
yes it's I would have never thought that

861
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:07,670
it would go away but we've had these

862
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,850
let's stay on this for a second I did

863
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:12,800
want to talk about you but I like

864
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:15,050
talking music - we have would rather

865
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:20,330
talk about anything there you go is is

866
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:23,480
we've had you know we had London a

867
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:26,630
couple of times come through we've had

868
00:45:32,110 --> 00:45:29,090
New York and in Los Angeles in San

869
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:32,120
Francisco and Chicago and Detroit and

870
00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:35,480
Seattle where's the next verse the next

871
00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:38,630
big you know wave where's it gonna come

872
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:41,830
from what do you think I I don't know

873
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:43,880
like we were talking about her before I

874
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:46,130
talked to my my brother who's you know

875
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:50,030
26 and he's a easy musician and I'm out

876
00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:51,830
of touch with the sort of modern music

877
00:45:56,350 --> 00:45:53,660
scene I don't pay as much attention as I

878
00:46:00,880 --> 00:45:56,360
used to when I was a kid so if there is

879
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,890
some some new scene of music growing out

880
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:02,720
there in the underground some places I

881
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:04,790
don't have my finger on the pulse of it

882
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:07,910
but um my brother had brought up sort of

883
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:09,530
an interesting point which was he says I

884
00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:10,850
keep kind of waiting for that to happen

885
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:13,220
I I love those moments where like the

886
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:15,140
Seattle thing happens like in New York

887
00:46:21,550 --> 00:46:18,380
or Detroit or you know in the punk rock

888
00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:21,560
thing in England I keep waiting for

889
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:23,420
what's been what's the next thing is to

890
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:24,980
get to change the whole book so that's

891
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,390
kind of like you know like you said like

892
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:28,400
butts flying all that you know that all

893
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:30,770
of a sudden this whole musical genre is

894
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:32,450
going to just sweep across the globe and

895
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:33,530
change in ways that people don't

896
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:35,750
anticipate keep eagerly awaiting for

897
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:38,180
that next that next big movement because

898
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:39,830
those are such interesting moments in

899
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:43,970
time and and my brother had brought this

900
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:45,830
point that he thinks because of the

901
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:47,270
internet because everybody's so

902
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:49,070
interconnected and there's so much

903
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:51,080
access to what's happening and the other

904
00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:52,970
side of the planet that you don't have

905
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:54,020
as many those

906
00:46:58,540 --> 00:46:56,090
in different places that are sort of

907
00:47:00,760 --> 00:46:58,550
isolated and like Seattle being up you

908
00:47:02,410 --> 00:47:00,770
know up in the far end of the Pacific

909
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:02,420
Northwest and bands wouldn't come into

910
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:03,440
her here so they just did their own

911
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:05,090
thing and entertained them settled I

912
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:06,710
feel like because of the interconnection

913
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:08,930
of the internet everybody is aware of

914
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:10,730
what everything else is going on so I'm

915
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,650
curious to know if if you can have those

916
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:17,440
those interesting little artistic

917
00:47:21,550 --> 00:47:19,460
explosions and these in these places I

918
00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:21,560
would imagine you still can you know and

919
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,540
I'm guessing that they're happening I'm

920
00:47:27,010 --> 00:47:24,800
just a whole band it's not paying

921
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:27,020
attention to you know where there's

922
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:28,670
where those kids are that are actually

923
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,370
you know pushing and and and creating a

924
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:32,960
whole new style and a whole new scene or

925
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:35,000
something but I've been waiting for a

926
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,310
long time because what was the to see

927
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:38,720
how things benign be so we're getting

928
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:41,180
into like 20 years and it gotta be a

929
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:44,260
cycle music punk rock and like the I

930
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,850
feel like they're do I said there's

931
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:48,560
enough time has transpired and like I

932
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,090
said that even like just noticing the

933
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:51,680
whole hip-hop and the mumble rap thing

934
00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:53,930
that that's kind of you know superficial

935
00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:55,400
there's not much substance to it I feel

936
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:57,080
it's some point the pendulum is going to

937
00:48:03,040 --> 00:47:58,250
swing the other way and you're just

938
00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:03,050
gonna get some really rich dynamic

939
00:48:09,550 --> 00:48:05,180
creative artistic interest enough some

940
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:09,560
some new variation of what music does

941
00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:12,170
really but there's only you know what 12

942
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:14,060
bits right you go and you only do so

943
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:15,530
much and you're not gonna reinvent the

944
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:19,070
wheel but oh yes you're so good at it it

945
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:27,160
yeah we just saw loss to your cell phone

946
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:30,730
we lost the bars okay you gave me now

947
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:32,990
yeah we got you back

948
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:34,460
yeah we don't your bars there for a

949
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:39,260
second the your approach we're gonna

950
00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:40,990
head towards the top of the hour here

951
00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:44,870
your your approach in your talent I

952
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:48,200
can't say and speak highly enough about

953
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:50,330
it I mean it's it's it's very impressive

954
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,150
but I know you've heard so much about

955
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:55,280
that all right I don't need to address

956
00:49:02,680 --> 00:48:58,690
that but what what I want to know is

957
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:02,690
when did you start to find out that you

958
00:49:07,569 --> 00:49:05,150
could draw how old were you were you

959
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:07,579
like - did you bounce out of the womb

960
00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:11,209
with you know a pencil in your hand I I

961
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:13,880
my I was drawing when I was a kid I

962
00:49:19,269 --> 00:49:16,729
can't remember exactly when I started to

963
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:19,279
draw but I remember it it being

964
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:21,049
something I very much enjoyed and like

965
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,160
doing at a very early age and so I don't

966
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:27,920
have a real strong recollection of the

967
00:49:33,729 --> 00:49:30,380
year the moment but I can always

968
00:49:35,229 --> 00:49:33,739
remember as a kid liking to draw and I

969
00:49:37,779 --> 00:49:35,239
think some of the first things I can

970
00:49:39,579 --> 00:49:37,789
remember drawing was there was a I don't

971
00:49:40,539 --> 00:49:39,589
know if it still exists a surf company

972
00:49:43,930 --> 00:49:40,549
called Town and Country

973
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:43,940
yes and they had this these characters

974
00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:45,170
and one of them was like I think it's

975
00:49:49,029 --> 00:49:47,150
thriller gorilla and I had a t-shirt and

976
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:49,039
it's just as gorilla would like this 80s

977
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:50,390
looking gorilla with sunglasses in a

978
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:52,249
surfboard and I would just copy those

979
00:49:55,029 --> 00:49:54,170
and I would try and I remember that was

980
00:49:59,529 --> 00:49:55,039
one of the first things that come into

981
00:50:01,989 --> 00:49:59,539
drawing but um I think my mom was a was

982
00:50:03,489 --> 00:50:01,999
a good parent and she she realized that

983
00:50:04,809 --> 00:50:03,499
she saw her kid was interested in

984
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:04,819
something and then the thing that you

985
00:50:08,529 --> 00:50:06,049
know parents have to do with their kids

986
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:08,539
and the summertime mist and just any

987
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:09,529
time is figure out what you're going to

988
00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:12,410
do with them and so she saw that I had

989
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:13,880
an interest in drawing and will put me

990
00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:16,940
into art classes and and so I think that

991
00:50:21,759 --> 00:50:19,069
just kind of it just kind of went from

992
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:21,769
there and then an event in high school I

993
00:50:26,109 --> 00:50:24,440
was in school I was always the kid

994
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:26,119
drawing in the margins of his textbooks

995
00:50:28,809 --> 00:50:27,529
and my teachers would come over and be

996
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:28,819
like that's a good drawing but you're

997
00:50:34,059 --> 00:50:31,910
not paying attention you know and so it

998
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:34,069
was something that was always I was

999
00:50:37,449 --> 00:50:36,440
always doing the same thing I was

1000
00:50:38,799 --> 00:50:37,459
thinking when I looked back under his

1001
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:38,809
adults who always come up to you when

1002
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,910
you're drawing me a little kid and they

1003
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:42,079
would always say the same thing they

1004
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,430
always say oh you could be an architect

1005
00:50:47,499 --> 00:50:45,920
right and they were like putting a

1006
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:47,509
profession in a career too when you're a

1007
00:50:50,499 --> 00:50:50,180
little kid you'd open like okay I I'm

1008
00:50:53,289 --> 00:50:50,509
just

1009
00:50:54,999 --> 00:50:53,299
you don't have that idea that this is

1010
00:50:57,069 --> 00:50:55,009
going to be something that you could

1011
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,079
make into a career that this is a talent

1012
00:51:01,630 --> 00:50:58,640
or a skill adults would always kind of

1013
00:51:03,009 --> 00:51:01,640
praise me for it and and but then eight

1014
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:03,019
hours attention architecting so I think

1015
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:04,609
from an early age adjustable I guess I

1016
00:51:07,209 --> 00:51:05,930
have to become an architect because

1017
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,219
that's what everybody keeps saying you

1018
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:09,440
know what was what you do you should do

1019
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:12,170
this and where did what did you do after

1020
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:16,729
high school I went to the University of

1021
00:51:23,350 --> 00:51:21,440
Denver and I got a BFA in graphic design

1022
00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:23,360
originally my plan was that I was going

1023
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,300
to be Wayne Gretzky and I was absolutely

1024
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:28,240
positive that that was going to happen

1025
00:51:32,590 --> 00:51:30,530
and I was going to be this tall lanky

1026
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:32,600
came from Southern California that was

1027
00:51:36,730 --> 00:51:34,370
going to be the Cinderella story who's

1028
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:36,740
going to you know walk on to the

1029
00:51:40,930 --> 00:51:38,180
University of Denver Division one hockey

1030
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:40,940
team and and become the famous hockey

1031
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:44,480
player and that delusion was cut short I

1032
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:46,460
was once I got to college and realized

1033
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,050
like oh I can't compete with all these

1034
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:50,000
kids I would I ended up playing hockey

1035
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,150
on the club team and was one of the

1036
00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:54,800
worst players on that team so pretty I

1037
00:51:59,590 --> 00:51:56,300
think pretty crappy honors like I better

1038
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,600
follow this this art thing instead so it

1039
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:01,760
was good to have to always have art

1040
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:04,250
there to sit back to fall back on

1041
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:06,710
because I was not going to become Wayne

1042
00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:09,880
Gretzky how much of what you do is

1043
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:14,840
electronic art computer-assisted and how

1044
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:19,450
much of it is real it all starts with a

1045
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:22,040
pencil and paper so I just every every

1046
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:23,960
every poster starts off with me just sit

1047
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:25,730
down my sketchbook and trying to draw

1048
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:28,760
some imagery out of my head and then you

1049
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:30,410
know maybe I scan that into the computer

1050
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:32,090
and then I'll print it back out and ink

1051
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:36,050
it and and and so it all starts with you

1052
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:38,210
know regular old pencil and paper and

1053
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:40,310
then once I get that the drawing of the

1054
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,810
inking to where I want it to be then I

1055
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,760
put it into Photoshop and I can start

1056
00:52:48,970 --> 00:52:46,160
coloring it manipulating it and you know

1057
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:48,980
I'm chopping it up and if there's places

1058
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,570
in the drawing but I need to move or

1059
00:52:54,850 --> 00:52:52,160
rearrange it to something like that so

1060
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:54,860
it's it's probably you know 50/50 and

1061
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:57,410
because there's the the original pencil

1062
00:53:01,150 --> 00:52:58,970
drawings and the inking that I do and

1063
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:01,160
then you just bring that into Photoshop

1064
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:05,990
and what it becomes right and how did

1065
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:09,200
you we've got to five minutes before the

1066
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:14,770
break how did you start to employ both

1067
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:18,940
mediums in that or did you always have

1068
00:53:24,610 --> 00:53:21,890
computers around you and you decided

1069
00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:24,620
that you were going to use it to assist

1070
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:28,070
what you are doing originally I would

1071
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:29,720
you know it was until I got to college

1072
00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:32,350
this I first got kind of introduced into

1073
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:34,460
you being able to use computers for

1074
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:35,370
design

1075
00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:37,530
and I fell in love with that and almost

1076
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:40,230
sort of stopped illustrating and just

1077
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:42,020
was trying to do all kinds of computer

1078
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:44,130
manipulation and collage and things like

1079
00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:47,370
that right and that kind of even took me

1080
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:49,620
away even once I once I got the job

1081
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:51,330
working for a Pearl Jam there's a point

1082
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:54,030
where I had to kind of go back to the

1083
00:54:00,830 --> 00:53:57,420
more hands-on artwork of you know pencil

1084
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:00,840
and paper and the the the introduction

1085
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:02,190
of the computer as a new tool was

1086
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:05,820
certainly exciting and and I gravitated

1087
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:07,110
towards it but then you just realize

1088
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:08,430
like it's just another tool in the

1089
00:54:12,220 --> 00:54:09,750
toolbox and it shouldn't be your main

1090
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,230
focus but that if you can incorporate

1091
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:14,280
painting and illustration and all these

1092
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:16,050
other things and then you just have that

1093
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:18,330
many more Skills to you know bring into

1094
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:20,070
the computer and manipulate that stuff

1095
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,830
so at first I was out of a bit smitten

1096
00:54:26,330 --> 00:54:25,020
with a computer and then when I'm glad

1097
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:26,340
that I ended up going back more it's

1098
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:30,270
just regular illustration now I realize

1099
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:32,250
you're a humble guy and you don't want

1100
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:36,150
to be part of the narrative but I'm sure

1101
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:39,780
that you understand how how great of an

1102
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:41,730
artist you are do you have a concept of

1103
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:45,780
that I feel like I'm good at what I do

1104
00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:47,820
and I'm a good graphic designer and I'm

1105
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,990
a good I'm a good poster artist so and

1106
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:53,940
I'm able to make a living doing it so

1107
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:55,650
it's not wasted on me obviously I feel

1108
00:55:00,260 --> 00:54:58,830
like I'm you know I feel like I'm good

1109
00:55:02,290 --> 00:55:00,270
at the thing that I'm asked to do and

1110
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:02,300
that I like to do so

1111
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:04,890
it's a fair enough answer but then let

1112
00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:07,770
me ask you this question oh I'm gonna

1113
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:09,870
let you I mean you're gonna escape that

1114
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:12,450
okay I'm gonna let you escape that but

1115
00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:16,290
do you once in a while do you create

1116
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,840
something where you step back and go you

1117
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:20,880
know that's uh that's pretty friggin

1118
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:25,080
good I I think that happens every every

1119
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:26,760
design and I feel like if you're any

1120
00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:29,310
sort of artist I feel like if the thing

1121
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,990
that you're not working on currently you

1122
00:55:34,580 --> 00:55:32,280
don't feel like it's the best thing that

1123
00:55:36,590 --> 00:55:34,590
you've ever done then you're not doing a

1124
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:36,600
good enough job I feel like every time

1125
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:37,890
I'm but if you ask me what my favorite

1126
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:39,330
poster it's probably the one I'm working

1127
00:55:42,610 --> 00:55:41,310
right now and I always think I think

1128
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:42,620
this is the best thing I've ever done

1129
00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:46,170
but that the wind gets taken in our

1130
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:47,580
sails real quick and then the next day

1131
00:55:50,270 --> 00:55:48,900
you'll see some other artist use

1132
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:50,280
some new they've really something new

1133
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:51,780
that just makes you want to chop your

1134
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:53,490
hands off and and give up and never

1135
00:55:58,100 --> 00:55:55,770
never pick up a pencil again so yeah

1136
00:55:59,840 --> 00:55:58,110
it's much you can bring yourself up to

1137
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:59,850
this height there's always these other

1138
00:56:03,350 --> 00:56:01,020
people out there that's just you know

1139
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:03,360
taking these out and remind you like oh

1140
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:08,910
yes it reminds me of you know Here I am

1141
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:11,250
a young guitar player in LA and I think

1142
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:14,130
I'm good right and then I heard inve for

1143
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,650
the first time and I was like well this

1144
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:18,180
is a waste of time

1145
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:20,250
well it's like that famous story about a

1146
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:22,140
challenge in an aircraft and hearing

1147
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,700
Hendrix for the first time right if

1148
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:25,200
you're if you're clapping and you're a

1149
00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:27,120
guitar god you know and and that's

1150
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:28,860
people referring to you at that time in

1151
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,780
your pee towns and you go here Jimi

1152
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,640
Hendrix would use it why are we even

1153
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:35,160
doing this it's a waste it's a waste of

1154
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:38,220
a life it's a waste of a life I need to

1155
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,260
go wash cars I need to get really good

1156
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,140
at something else really quick I think

1157
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,940
that I think I think the best thing

1158
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:47,040
about those artists are the ones that

1159
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:49,170
not only inspire you but at the same

1160
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:51,150
time they just destroy you but they're

1161
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:53,610
so good it's you you want to be better

1162
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:55,050
it makes you want to be better despite

1163
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:56,310
the fact you really never going to be

1164
00:57:01,280 --> 00:56:58,440
able to say level it's set in it's that

1165
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:01,290
quality they have that their work is so

1166
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,990
destructive and ruins you but it's so

1167
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,520
inspiring it's so good that you like I

1168
00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:07,440
want I want to get better and I want to

1169
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:10,350
I want to evolve now what do you do

1170
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:14,250
we've got two minutes do you do you

1171
00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:17,160
create for yourself is is everything

1172
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:19,320
just completely personal or are you

1173
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:21,330
worried about what other people think

1174
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:25,410
when they see your artwork I when I was

1175
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:28,680
working for Pearl Jam and doing posters

1176
00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:30,450
at the same time and I had a paycheck

1177
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:32,340
from from from Pearl Jam and I didn't

1178
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:33,750
have to worry about post ourselves then

1179
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:35,550
I true I created for myself and I didn't

1180
00:57:41,350 --> 00:57:38,280
care once I became freelance and I was

1181
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,360
dependent upon making money for myself

1182
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,920
then it did change was like people

1183
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,540
aren't going to buy this you know this I

1184
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:47,280
mean I need to sell these to make money

1185
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:48,900
and if I'm just making artwork that's

1186
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:50,850
appealing to me somebody else might not

1187
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:52,830
want to hang this in their home and so

1188
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:55,740
it does kind of that that did alter my

1189
00:58:00,620 --> 00:57:59,280
creative process because if I didn't say

1190
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:00,630
if I created something when I had a

1191
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:02,040
paycheck and it didn't sell I didn't

1192
00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:02,710
care

1193
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:06,340
right so once I was on my own it then it

1194
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:09,370
then it did become this okay I need to

1195
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,840
make sure that this is something that

1196
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:12,640
people are gonna walk is really taking

1197
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:14,380
it's just it's me you know getting my

1198
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:16,510
creative jollies out gonna that's that's

1199
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:19,870
funny that's provocative you know are

1200
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,940
you past that point are you past that

1201
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,640
point now though where everybody knows

1202
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:27,040
who you are and where you are coming

1203
00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:29,770
from so you again you're back to where

1204
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:30,940
you don't have to worry about what

1205
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:33,330
others think you can just be yourself

1206
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,320
no cuz I think I still want people to

1207
00:58:42,090 --> 00:58:39,760
like this stuff and it's funny a lot of

1208
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:42,100
the people are by posters or men and

1209
00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:43,630
they're putting posters and man caves

1210
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:45,340
and stuff like that and I'm always I

1211
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:47,170
have this there's some times where

1212
00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:48,610
someone say my wife you don't like this

1213
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:50,470
one meaning they could like post it they

1214
00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:52,030
could frame it and hang it in some part

1215
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:53,140
of the house that wasn't their man cave

1216
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:54,850
so it's become this sort of weird goal

1217
00:59:01,610 --> 00:58:56,980
in the back of my head to make artwork

1218
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:01,620
that appeals for the wives that's funny

1219
00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:04,240
that's good stuff that's that's radio

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gold right there let's take a break take

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a break at guest tonight is Brad

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night three of our Egypt week here on

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01:04:50,589 --> 01:04:47,690
and there are so many unanswered

1337
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:50,599
questions but today it's it's artists

1338
01:04:56,050 --> 01:04:53,300
like Brad it's the work of John Anthony

1339
01:05:00,070 --> 01:04:56,060
West and Robert Schoch and and chance

1340
01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:00,080
Gardner and Graham Hancock and Robert

1341
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:03,260
Bauval Christopher Dunn who we had on

1342
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:06,410
the show last night and and people like

1343
01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:09,950
you Brad that are discovering Egypt

1344
01:05:15,609 --> 01:05:12,500
scenes they're seeing things with

1345
01:05:18,220 --> 01:05:15,619
another set of eyes and and bringing

1346
01:05:21,130 --> 01:05:18,230
this stuff forward to our community and

1347
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:21,140
I commend you for this and I'm looking

1348
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:25,130
at Twitter now you're not on Twitter but

1349
01:05:30,430 --> 01:05:28,640
our audience is posting your artwork

1350
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:30,440
right there plus it's just flooding

1351
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:33,440
Twitter right now and I and I'm clicking

1352
01:05:41,859 --> 01:05:36,050
through this and looking at it and and I

1353
01:05:43,450 --> 01:05:41,869
see so much of the symbolism now I see

1354
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:43,460
it in your stuff and it's it's

1355
01:05:48,790 --> 01:05:46,670
extraordinary most people would just

1356
01:05:50,589 --> 01:05:48,800
look and go man that that's really cool

1357
01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:50,599
but they don't know that it's a scarab

1358
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:55,070
right right for you

1359
01:06:01,150 --> 01:05:58,609
I just have to know what was what was

1360
01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:01,160
the revelation I have seen magical Egypt

1361
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:03,500
and and your presentation in there

1362
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:04,490
floored me

1363
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:07,010
I immediately you can ask chance I call

1364
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:09,650
chant I was like dude Brad Claussen man

1365
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:14,540
that that's his section is is just

1366
01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:17,450
amazing so take us through that

1367
01:06:22,690 --> 01:06:19,640
what was it I know that there was

1368
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:22,700
something where you just went holy crap

1369
01:06:29,610 --> 01:06:24,610
there is something going on here

1370
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:29,620
what was that moment um well I mean it's

1371
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:33,070
it's it's this long somewhat sort of

1372
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:35,410
build-up so trying the shortest synopsis

1373
01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:39,070
of it but I mean when you watch that the

1374
01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:41,260
first magically good series there's so

1375
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:42,700
much to take away from that but I think

1376
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:44,380
one of the things that I think a lot of

1377
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:46,470
people took away from that first series

1378
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:50,170
was this revelation of swallows that the

1379
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:53,710
temple of Luxor is built laid out in the

1380
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:57,430
form of a human body right and that

1381
01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:00,880
aspect of that I really sort of it but

1382
01:07:05,130 --> 01:07:02,560
attached myself to in the train was very

1383
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,140
it was very interesting to me and I was

1384
01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:06,640
sort of an interesting idea that that

1385
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,560
you would build a temple of God to

1386
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:10,240
resemble the human body and it you know

1387
01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:11,650
they talk about certain points of the

1388
01:07:14,850 --> 01:07:13,540
temple if you're where the lungs are the

1389
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:14,860
hieroglyphs on the wall are talking

1390
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:16,900
about you know air and breasts and

1391
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:20,800
things like that but the really

1392
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:22,990
interesting about that is when you look

1393
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:26,950
at SH Wohlers schematics of a human the

1394
01:07:31,260 --> 01:07:29,680
human head over the the the secret

1395
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:31,270
sanctuary of the temple which is the

1396
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:33,880
Holy of Holies it's right where the the

1397
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:38,410
third ventricle of the brain is and it

1398
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:40,090
that really just started getting me

1399
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:42,030
thinking I have I was very interested in

1400
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:44,710
consciousness and and halted its of

1401
01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:47,110
consciousness and and how people are

1402
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:50,920
able to access knowledge and things in

1403
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:53,370
these altered states and with that

1404
01:07:57,570 --> 01:07:56,170
background of schwarz revelation of the

1405
01:08:00,720 --> 01:07:57,580
the temple being built in the form of

1406
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:00,730
the human body that really sort of set

1407
01:08:04,290 --> 01:08:02,470
the precedent well then where else is

1408
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:04,300
there where else is the human body being

1409
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:06,900
represented in you know in artwork and

1410
01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:08,950
the one thing that most people are

1411
01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:12,220
familiar with is the 1990 paper by Frank

1412
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:14,230
Matt Berger who pointed out that

1413
01:08:17,490 --> 01:08:16,090
Michelangelo painted right on the

1414
01:08:23,190 --> 01:08:17,500
Sistine Chapel and showed that how it

1415
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:23,200
was a brain and then in 2007 a surgeon

1416
01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:25,930
named Alessandro Polizzi released a

1417
01:08:29,490 --> 01:08:27,430
paper which he corroborated mesh

1418
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:29,500
Berger's theory about Michelangelo's

1419
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:30,730
brain and presented a couple other

1420
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:32,110
pieces of artwork from the Renaissance

1421
01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:33,610
though he thought and him and his team

1422
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:36,280
saw was showing brain anatomy any one

1423
01:08:40,230 --> 01:08:38,410
big highly respected medical journal

1424
01:08:43,220 --> 01:08:40,240
this president had already been said

1425
01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:43,230
that the academic community is

1426
01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:45,760
acknowledging that there is brain

1427
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:49,420
anatomy and Hassan's paintings and once

1428
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:51,760
I started kind of going down that rabbit

1429
01:08:56,940 --> 01:08:54,690
hole and trying to and once you get into

1430
01:08:58,740 --> 01:08:56,950
esoterica and the mystery schools and

1431
01:09:00,090 --> 01:08:58,750
everybody you start if you're looking in

1432
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:00,100
the right places but never but you start

1433
01:09:03,710 --> 01:09:01,630
getting kind of confronted with with

1434
01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:03,720
brain anatomy and they're the terms and

1435
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:08,070
because of the internet because of these

1436
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:10,930
the image search that you can do on the

1437
01:09:15,270 --> 01:09:13,720
internet when you type in looking up the

1438
01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:15,280
word for word brain anatomy looks like

1439
01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:17,080
you just did this wall of images I can

1440
01:09:21,810 --> 01:09:19,060
you look up anything online you just hit

1441
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:21,820
with just all kinds of images relating

1442
01:09:26,130 --> 01:09:23,680
to to every sort of aspect of whatever

1443
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:26,140
you just typed in and once I started

1444
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:27,910
looking at familiarizing myself with

1445
01:09:32,790 --> 01:09:29,230
brain anatomy I just started to

1446
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:32,800
recognize patterns and compositions and

1447
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:35,160
poses I've seen in our history class and

1448
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:38,970
that's when it just it kind of helps

1449
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:41,650
validate that idea that swaller had that

1450
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:43,450
the temple is it's built by the body and

1451
01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:45,400
with these other what mesh Berger and

1452
01:09:49,650 --> 01:09:46,990
Pelosi were showing that there is brain

1453
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:49,660
anatomy and and the body being

1454
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:51,190
represented in different forms of

1455
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:56,080
artworks and it was just it was crazy to

1456
01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:58,570
look at some of these examples of brain

1457
01:10:01,740 --> 01:09:59,980
anatomy but I never looked at it I'm not

1458
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:01,750
I'm not an anatomist I'm not into the

1459
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,250
ology I'm in Zen I never looked at it

1460
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:06,400
that stuff before and seeing things

1461
01:10:09,690 --> 01:10:07,930
where I said I know what I've seen that

1462
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:09,700
pose before I've seen that posture

1463
01:10:14,670 --> 01:10:11,410
before and it was in art history class

1464
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:14,680
and it was a you know statues that are

1465
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:16,930
figurines small statues like the Venus

1466
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:18,600
of Willendorf and stuff like that where

1467
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:20,710
those things are you know twenty five

1468
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:24,300
thousand forty thousand years old and

1469
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:26,860
it's the more I looked at bringing that

1470
01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:29,710
me the more I could kind of see patterns

1471
01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:31,150
and compositions that I'd seen in art

1472
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:32,260
history class and that's when it all

1473
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:35,110
kind of just you know it started to make

1474
01:10:39,470 --> 01:10:36,460
sense in a way that the things that

1475
01:10:41,610 --> 01:10:39,480
never made sense before and you start to

1476
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:41,620
because I did the same thing and I

1477
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:44,230
certainly have done it since your

1478
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:45,850
presentation too as well it's almost

1479
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:49,900
like I can't escape it but you now start

1480
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,420
to notice it

1481
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:54,719
everywhere not only in Egyptian art but

1482
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:56,520
throughout history like you're saying

1483
01:11:02,689 --> 01:10:58,650
and you know from the Sistine Chapel and

1484
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:02,699
and onwards and outwards it it seems to

1485
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,480
be everywhere and now you almost can't

1486
01:11:12,620 --> 01:11:08,640
help but look at a piece of artwork and

1487
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:12,630
start looking for Anatomy yeah and and

1488
01:11:17,570 --> 01:11:15,239
and especially once you start

1489
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:17,580
understanding the symbolic language that

1490
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:21,030
that's used you can start seeing what

1491
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,219
the that even if it's not representing

1492
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:26,000
Anatomy exactly it's representing

1493
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,140
processes that are taking place in the

1494
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,960
body and I think it's like any you know

1495
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:32,460
any people always say that art is

1496
01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:34,290
subjective I think that's true to a

1497
01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:35,580
degree you know you could make a

1498
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:37,830
painting and it could mean so many

1499
01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:39,060
different things to so many different

1500
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:41,340
people but a lot of the times especially

1501
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,230
with symbolic artwork is that there's an

1502
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:45,360
actor it's not subjective you know the

1503
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:47,580
artist had an intention that made that

1504
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:49,560
and they use those symbols very for very

1505
01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:51,090
specific reasons and if you know that

1506
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:53,790
language of symbols you can kind of work

1507
01:11:56,150 --> 01:11:55,290
back what the artist is trying to say

1508
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:56,160
and what they're trying to communicate

1509
01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:57,810
and it's not something that's subjective

1510
01:12:00,620 --> 01:11:58,920
where you can just say well this

1511
01:12:02,419 --> 01:12:00,630
painting makes me feel this way or that

1512
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,429
way and that's great about how you feel

1513
01:12:06,169 --> 01:12:05,040
about it but the artist who made it you

1514
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:06,179
can tell they're trying to communicate

1515
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:07,980
something because they're using symbols

1516
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:10,710
the same we're in it you know a high

1517
01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:12,810
level mathematician if you look at some

1518
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:17,100
good will hunting types seeing of a MIT

1519
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:18,690
physics class where there's some crazy

1520
01:12:21,979 --> 01:12:20,520
vision from floor to ceiling that's a

1521
01:12:23,660 --> 01:12:21,989
whole bunch of cryptic symbols so most

1522
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:23,670
of us have no clue what they mean right

1523
01:12:28,729 --> 01:12:26,010
but to the to the mathematicians that

1524
01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:28,739
all those symbols have meaning and you

1525
01:12:32,959 --> 01:12:31,260
can see that in esoteric artwork you can

1526
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:32,969
see me especially I can and how chemical

1527
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:34,650
art work you can see symbols being used

1528
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:35,940
and you can see that there is there's

1529
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:37,620
something being conveyed here that's not

1530
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:39,420
subjective it's you can you can kind of

1531
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:41,130
get behind the mind of the artist and

1532
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:43,170
understand where they're coming from now

1533
01:12:56,180 --> 01:12:51,410
what about you almost sound dr. ish okay

1534
01:12:59,000 --> 01:12:56,190
your your your medical terms you know

1535
01:13:03,020 --> 01:12:59,010
parts of the body in the brain

1536
01:13:06,170 --> 01:13:03,030
the heart the the nervous system it

1537
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:06,180
sounds like you went into a general

1538
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,780
study of the body to start to understand

1539
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:11,880
what was really going on here am I am I

1540
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:17,250
mistaken uh I did I I did start I have a

1541
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:19,800
whole bunch of medical textbooks and

1542
01:13:23,390 --> 01:13:21,540
stuff like that and they're so dry and

1543
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:23,400
it's so difficult to dive into that

1544
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:24,900
stuff so it is a really difficult

1545
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:27,960
subject to get into and and I'm I'm

1546
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:30,330
terrible at it see I mispronounced

1547
01:13:34,430 --> 01:13:32,670
things as well and and the names of

1548
01:13:37,460 --> 01:13:34,440
anatomy and stuff like that so it's a

1549
01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:37,470
whole field of study that obviously you

1550
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:39,239
can spend an eternity having to learn

1551
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:40,770
all the terms and to learn how

1552
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:42,120
everything works and I'm at this point

1553
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:43,980
it's at an extremely superficial base

1554
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:46,110
level of understanding these things I

1555
01:13:49,340 --> 01:13:47,730
mean mostly where I'm coming from is

1556
01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:49,350
just pattern recognition of just seeing

1557
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,230
shapes and forms and so then when you

1558
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:54,420
get down into the actual nitty-gritty of

1559
01:13:59,720 --> 01:13:56,970
it and how these things function that

1560
01:14:01,310 --> 01:13:59,730
that tester usually puts me to sleep

1561
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:01,320
once I try it in but if you didn't read

1562
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:03,060
that stuff kids it's sort of try and so

1563
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:06,710
textbook II and medical and scientific

1564
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,850
but you do you do have to kind of

1565
01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:10,080
venture into that thing and start and

1566
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:11,550
start familiarizing with yourself for

1567
01:14:15,470 --> 01:14:13,170
that stuff and then you just realize oh

1568
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:15,480
there's so much no I do you get about

1569
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:16,920
that it's gonna be like I can spend a

1570
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:20,580
lifetime studying this and you know it's

1571
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:23,610
a daunting field to poke your poked your

1572
01:14:26,690 --> 01:14:24,930
toe in the water to do and dip your toe

1573
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:26,700
in the water to and this is this is

1574
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:28,920
where for me it gets a little bit nutty

1575
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:32,610
and crazy but the facts are the facts if

1576
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:37,050
you go to DaVinci and the way that he

1577
01:14:43,460 --> 01:14:39,930
studied the human form right and and

1578
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,470
what he had to do to understand the

1579
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:46,080
systems of the human body pretty

1580
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,060
disgusting but he he he did what he had

1581
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:54,000
to do but we have to think about what

1582
01:14:59,860 --> 01:14:54,900
year that was

1583
01:15:04,490 --> 01:14:59,870
and then you back up you have to back up

1584
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:04,500
2,000 years plus another 2,000 years to

1585
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:08,699
get back to these periods of

1586
01:15:15,620 --> 01:15:11,940
the ancient Egyptians that were doing

1587
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:15,630
the very same thing right right

1588
01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:18,630
now that that gets a little bit crazy to

1589
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:22,340
me in that the Egyptians obviously

1590
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:24,840
understood human anatomy and they

1591
01:15:30,620 --> 01:15:28,560
weren't supposed to yeah and even that

1592
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:30,630
idea that people always talk about that

1593
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:32,820
they didn't put any emphasis on the

1594
01:15:35,959 --> 01:15:34,170
brain and they scraped it out through

1595
01:15:37,939 --> 01:15:35,969
the nose and that stuff I think that is

1596
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:37,949
I think that's a great misconception

1597
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:41,340
about their their knowledge of not only

1598
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:43,350
the brain but of the brain in relation

1599
01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:46,650
to consciousness and and I think they've

1600
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:50,040
had such a complex understanding of

1601
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:52,260
anatomy and the brain and how

1602
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,530
consciousness relates to it that it

1603
01:16:02,359 --> 01:15:58,800
requires us to greatly change what we

1604
01:16:04,820 --> 01:16:02,369
understand of what they knew and and

1605
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:04,830
what what the functions were it's one

1606
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:07,590
thing to represent it artistically right

1607
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:10,920
okay or maybe a carving or the eye of

1608
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:15,420
Rod and okay that is in its very basic

1609
01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:18,810
form but they they either they fully

1610
01:16:24,340 --> 01:16:21,030
understood different parts of the brain

1611
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:24,350
and its functions or they were certainly

1612
01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:29,280
interested in trying to discover not

1613
01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:32,219
only the brain but different glands and

1614
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:34,380
the functions of the body and that is

1615
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:36,540
that's wasn't supposed to be happening

1616
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,310
with Stone Age man at 2500 BC right and

1617
01:16:45,859 --> 01:16:43,679
even I mean I don't think too many

1618
01:16:48,169 --> 01:16:45,869
people and in the academic world have

1619
01:16:49,879 --> 01:16:48,179
seen my presentation that first matter

1620
01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:49,889
but he just but me even just throwing

1621
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:52,739
out the idea is that human beings knew

1622
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:55,980
about brain anatomy in you know 25,000

1623
01:16:59,629 --> 01:16:58,320
BCE that they're gonna scoff and laugh

1624
01:17:02,120 --> 01:16:59,639
at that because that's just preposterous

1625
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:02,130
how could these you know Paleolithic

1626
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:04,650
people have any understanding of brain

1627
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:06,690
anatomy and it's something that I don't

1628
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:08,790
I can't say but all I can say is when I

1629
01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:10,770
look at some of those those statues and

1630
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:13,139
those figurines is that it's extremely

1631
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,770
similar if not exact representations of

1632
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:18,960
parts of the brainstem and process brain

1633
01:17:22,459 --> 01:17:22,020
anatomy and I've come to the opinion

1634
01:17:23,989 --> 01:17:22,469
like your

1635
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:23,999
that you had talking about you know

1636
01:17:27,919 --> 01:17:25,530
knowledge and all these things I mean

1637
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,929
John Anthony West 101 is that you know

1638
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:30,719
civilizations don't evolve linearly you

1639
01:17:35,089 --> 01:17:33,090
know that the evolution is a thing

1640
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:35,099
anybody you guys chickens like we have

1641
01:17:37,939 --> 01:17:36,780
chickens you can see evolution and the

1642
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:37,949
chicken those are little dinosaurs

1643
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:39,690
little dinosaurs feet little dinosaur

1644
01:17:45,229 --> 01:17:42,900
faces and feathers but the idea that

1645
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:45,239
civilizations are just as linear

1646
01:17:48,979 --> 01:17:47,550
progressive you know from simple to

1647
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,989
complex like you were talking about the

1648
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:50,400
beginning we've seen dark agents we've

1649
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:52,380
seen we've seen rise and fall of Empires

1650
01:17:58,700 --> 01:17:56,400
we feel like we're currently living in a

1651
01:18:00,350 --> 01:17:58,710
time we'll very human as technology gets

1652
01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:00,360
smarter people are getting stupider so I

1653
01:18:04,459 --> 01:18:02,460
wanna say like we're currently living in

1654
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:04,469
a time where things are starting to

1655
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:10,590
digit you need to degenerate and I think

1656
01:18:14,060 --> 01:18:12,110
that's something that needs to be

1657
01:18:15,469 --> 01:18:14,070
addressed like you're saying the things

1658
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:15,479
that were taught in school is that it

1659
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:17,489
isn't just simple to complex it's

1660
01:18:20,629 --> 01:18:19,110
boom-and-bust you know you have golden

1661
01:18:22,549 --> 01:18:20,639
ages and your Renaissance is in your

1662
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:22,559
Dark Ages and people forget stuff and

1663
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:25,800
then they remember stuff and and you

1664
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:26,489
know that's one of the interesting

1665
01:18:32,029 --> 01:18:29,010
things about that myth of Osiris that

1666
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:32,039
idea that he gets dismembered and Isis

1667
01:18:35,569 --> 01:18:34,110
has to remember him she has to put him

1668
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:35,579
back together and you know and all the

1669
01:18:38,959 --> 01:18:37,380
parts are scattered all over the place

1670
01:18:42,979 --> 01:18:38,969
and she has to go find all the pieces of

1671
01:18:44,060 --> 01:18:42,989
Osiris and that idea of remembering

1672
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:44,070
something I never thought about that

1673
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:45,420
word in that way before it but to

1674
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:46,710
dismember something and you're

1675
01:18:50,089 --> 01:18:48,300
remembering and putting it back together

1676
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:50,099
it's almost like this reassembly of

1677
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:52,010
things that have been scattered and lost

1678
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:54,179
and I think that's what you know at

1679
01:18:59,299 --> 01:18:56,130
people like John and Graham Hancock in

1680
01:19:00,859 --> 01:18:59,309
this whole school of sort of alternative

1681
01:19:02,569 --> 01:19:00,869
history has been able to do is to been

1682
01:19:04,879 --> 01:19:02,579
kind of remember all those products and

1683
01:19:06,469 --> 01:19:04,889
pulled it back together and say hang on

1684
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:06,479
it's not what what we're being told it

1685
01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:08,820
is it's so funny I didn't want to talk

1686
01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:11,369
about this earlier but somebody just

1687
01:19:16,549 --> 01:19:14,190
tweeted Liz just tweeted when da Vinci

1688
01:19:18,919 --> 01:19:16,559
was studying the human body he took

1689
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:18,929
corpses under the Vatican and cut them

1690
01:19:24,469 --> 01:19:21,570
hope and and drew them out those bodies

1691
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:24,479
are medical textbooks today with exactly

1692
01:19:30,469 --> 01:19:27,449
I didn't want to say that over the air

1693
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:30,479
but that's what you know it's it's a

1694
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:32,729
pretty fascinating thing that we look at

1695
01:19:35,610 --> 01:19:34,409
da Vinci and his discovery of the human

1696
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:35,620
body

1697
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:38,520
and just like you said we can go back to

1698
01:19:47,670 --> 01:19:43,150
these goddess figurines that are tens of

1699
01:19:51,570 --> 01:19:47,680
thousands of years or ain't old old old

1700
01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:51,580
old and and and there it is right there

1701
01:19:59,970 --> 01:19:55,990
representing the brain the brainstem it

1702
01:20:02,490 --> 01:19:59,980
oh and the original goddess that you

1703
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:02,500
talk about in magical Egypt to which

1704
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:05,910
figurine is that well there's there's

1705
01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:08,650
Venus figurines but then there's like

1706
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:10,600
Artemis of Ephesus and Diana there's

1707
01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:11,770
those that are the kind of multi

1708
01:20:17,660 --> 01:20:14,590
breasted yes range figures those were

1709
01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:17,670
the original Venus one the one that's

1710
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:22,060
crazily proportioned that's in the

1711
01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:24,430
Pope's office at the Vatican is sitting

1712
01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:28,360
on its it had a fireplace mantel and he

1713
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:33,160
looks at it all day long it's kind of

1714
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:35,170
its kind of creepy when you think about

1715
01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:39,250
it it's but interesting interesting to

1716
01:20:46,110 --> 01:20:41,800
think about that idea that that if if

1717
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,120
the brainstem is really sort of what I

1718
01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:48,400
would kind of subscribe to this idea

1719
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:49,750
that the human beings are all kind of

1720
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:52,360
Radiohead's and we receive consciousness

1721
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:54,250
the same way that you know your

1722
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:56,230
television receives your gramming and

1723
01:21:00,030 --> 01:20:57,760
you know the computer receives the

1724
01:21:01,620 --> 01:21:00,040
Internet is that it does seem to me that

1725
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:01,630
the brainstem is sort of the crucial

1726
01:21:06,450 --> 01:21:04,510
piece of the hardware that deals with

1727
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:06,460
not only consciousness but that connects

1728
01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:08,710
people to these ideas or these feelings

1729
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:11,740
of divinity or wholeness so it's maybe

1730
01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:13,150
not surprising that somebody like the

1731
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:15,700
Pope would have a statue whether or not

1732
01:21:20,730 --> 01:21:18,070
he he knows it is dealing with brain

1733
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:20,740
anatomy or not but that that is sort of

1734
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:23,320
it I would be willing to speculate that

1735
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:26,070
the brain stem is is sort of the seat of

1736
01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:28,450
these consciousness experiences these

1737
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:31,300
higher states of these sort of ecstatic

1738
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:33,430
religious experiences visionary states

1739
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:34,780
that people have but there's something

1740
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:37,330
going on with the brainstem as I sort of

1741
01:21:43,410 --> 01:21:40,810
a spark plug or a catalyst to get to

1742
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:43,420
these higher states so maybe is an

1743
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:44,800
interesting synchronicity that the Pope

1744
01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:46,750
has you know of Venus of Willendorf in

1745
01:21:54,230 --> 01:21:48,060
his office well in Japan

1746
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:54,240
on why he's looking at it yeah they said

1747
01:21:57,020 --> 01:21:56,640
it they said it Brad I said it I said it

1748
01:21:59,360 --> 01:21:57,030
out loud

1749
01:22:03,340 --> 01:21:59,370
hey well even the Pope even the Pope

1750
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,350
likes you know fat bottomed girls I

1751
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,820
can't wait for that movie by the way

1752
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:07,920
I can't wait for Bohemian Rhapsody I

1753
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:17,960
okay actually I wanted before I asked my

1754
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:19,410
next question I want to go back to what

1755
01:22:24,620 --> 01:22:22,800
you just said which is and I think we're

1756
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:24,630
starting to figure this out what you

1757
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:28,140
know if our body turns off right the flu

1758
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:30,330
you die right this the switch is flipped

1759
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:33,410
in and no more electricity to the brain

1760
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:37,320
does that mean that certainly your

1761
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:40,890
memories are gone I can understand that

1762
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,890
part it's an electrical system but the

1763
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:45,840
consciousness the thing that makes Brad

1764
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,110
Claussen Brad Claussen but you know what

1765
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:52,080
what happens with that and is that

1766
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:55,290
something that is just recieved right

1767
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:58,260
that the the brain is an antenna and it

1768
01:23:03,230 --> 01:23:01,440
is receiving consciousness and that the

1769
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,240
consciousness doesn't go anywhere I

1770
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:05,280
think that science is getting closer to

1771
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:07,020
cult and closer to figuring that part

1772
01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:10,020
out but that's where we are today in

1773
01:23:15,620 --> 01:23:12,150
2018 we're getting close to these

1774
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:15,630
questions clearly the Egyptians had a

1775
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:17,910
grip on this and they understood this a

1776
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:21,570
long time ago yeah I would I would even

1777
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:25,440
say that I feel like every every sort of

1778
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:29,010
esoteric or philosophical sect of any

1779
01:23:33,980 --> 01:23:31,620
sort of religion the the sort of

1780
01:23:36,620 --> 01:23:33,990
philosophers sages be you know the the

1781
01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:36,630
Sufis in Islam or those mystery schools

1782
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:39,390
and Egypt's or Greek or Chaldea or you

1783
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:41,010
know the Gnostic there the Essenes

1784
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:43,800
you know where the the the Nadine bit

1785
01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:46,290
made on Daoists and China but if you go

1786
01:23:52,730 --> 01:23:48,980
looking at all of the sort of esoteric

1787
01:23:54,980 --> 01:23:52,740
sex of any religion it seems like it's

1788
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:54,990
just common to any of these human beings

1789
01:23:59,000 --> 01:23:56,730
that are seekers that are philosophers

1790
01:24:01,850 --> 01:23:59,010
and sages and sages

1791
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:01,860
better contemplating

1792
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:05,370
think just like you and I us about these

1793
01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:07,020
things a human being have been curious

1794
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:08,910
about this kumbhak from the get-go and

1795
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,370
it seems like it should be the most

1796
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:12,960
important pressing issue of the day all

1797
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,580
the time I'm Austin Blow and if people

1798
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:16,080
don't spend very much time thinking

1799
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:18,360
about what is this you know what are we

1800
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,650
doing here how do we get you where's

1801
01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:21,840
what is what is happening but I if you

1802
01:24:27,620 --> 01:24:25,320
go into these other esoteric schools of

1803
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:27,630
thought they all seem to be getting

1804
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:30,060
realization in the same point which is

1805
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:32,940
that you can have these experiences

1806
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:34,890
while you're a living and you have to

1807
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:38,370
till death where you are having some

1808
01:24:44,420 --> 01:24:43,080
sort of visionary mystical looks and

1809
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,430
everybody gets kind of hung up on this

1810
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:46,320
stuff because it brings in the idea of

1811
01:24:51,370 --> 01:24:48,540
divinity and God not system and there's

1812
01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:51,380
so much baggage with those words the

1813
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,790
thing that I take away from though is

1814
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,440
that regardless of the God side and

1815
01:24:58,730 --> 01:24:56,880
divinity side that all of these

1816
01:25:00,890 --> 01:24:58,740
experiences people talk about being face

1817
01:25:02,990 --> 01:25:00,900
to face with knowledge and that they're

1818
01:25:04,540 --> 01:25:03,000
receiving information that's something

1819
01:25:06,980 --> 01:25:04,550
that we can wrap our heads around it

1820
01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:06,990
that you know we can put on the shelf

1821
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:08,670
for a little bit the bigger pictures of

1822
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:10,530
what we're descanse must come from and

1823
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:13,110
if any that stuff and just looked at all

1824
01:25:18,230 --> 01:25:16,170
of these experiences accessing wisdom

1825
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:18,240
then accessing information and even when

1826
01:25:22,370 --> 01:25:20,010
Enoch it's taken up into heaven if you

1827
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:22,380
show information he's given he's shown

1828
01:25:28,820 --> 01:25:24,540
astronomy shown the the measures of

1829
01:25:31,130 --> 01:25:28,830
world and I think when we asked that

1830
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:31,140
question of how the Egyptians know what

1831
01:25:35,780 --> 01:25:34,560
they knew I think you can start finding

1832
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:35,790
out it it's something that human beings

1833
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:37,260
have known throughout our history is

1834
01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:39,690
that there are ways in which we can

1835
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:41,880
access information and went through

1836
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:44,370
which it revelation of universal truth

1837
01:25:50,540 --> 01:25:48,090
is shown to people and we see it and if

1838
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:50,550
you look at the the world that we live

1839
01:25:53,420 --> 01:25:50,730
in

1840
01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:53,430
is there's just a monster bill truth and

1841
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:54,630
where you look the fact that you and I

1842
01:25:59,000 --> 01:25:57,450
are talking the science of the phones

1843
01:26:01,460 --> 01:25:59,010
and our computers that is demonstrable

1844
01:26:04,340 --> 01:26:01,470
true you know so every innovation of

1845
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:04,350
human beings there's some revelation of

1846
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:07,050
something that's just a truth right and

1847
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:10,800
so i i i think the egyptians and these

1848
01:26:15,460 --> 01:26:13,620
esoteric schools figured out ways to

1849
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:15,470
access that this

1850
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:18,310
sort of for lack of a better word this

1851
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:21,170
cosmic database of universal truth and

1852
01:26:26,530 --> 01:26:23,690
they were able to see it in these

1853
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:26,540
visionary states and bring it back and

1854
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,910
say okay I think I figured out how we

1855
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:30,320
could solve this problem I think I

1856
01:26:34,510 --> 01:26:31,730
figured out we could move these stones

1857
01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:34,520
you know I figured I think what you

1858
01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:36,520
really have is just a group of

1859
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:38,780
sufficiently curious human beings

1860
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,210
throughout time who have figured out

1861
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:43,520
ways how to access knowledge and wisdom

1862
01:26:46,450 --> 01:26:45,290
and if you go to all these wisdom

1863
01:26:50,230 --> 01:26:46,460
traditions they're all saying the same

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01:26:52,990 --> 01:26:50,240
thing but they're becoming they they

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01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:53,000
have figured out ways to access higher

1866
01:26:58,290 --> 01:26:55,730
levels of knowing when we come back

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01:27:01,930 --> 01:26:58,300
after the break I want to specifically

1868
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:01,940
talk about your discovery of these

1869
01:27:06,370 --> 01:27:04,630
goddess figurines and what they actually

1870
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:06,380
represented and how you went through

1871
01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:09,260
that process and so before we get to

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01:27:14,650 --> 01:27:11,000
that and before we get to the break I

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01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:14,660
want to specifically ask you about the I

1874
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,370
of raw now that I know that it

1875
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,400
represents the pineal gland do you think

1876
01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:24,320
that there's a chance that there's

1877
01:27:29,050 --> 01:27:26,120
something lost in the translation that

1878
01:27:34,060 --> 01:27:29,060
it is not the I of raw at all and that's

1879
01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:34,070
not what is there it is just simply the

1880
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:36,830
pineal gland and and what it represents

1881
01:27:43,690 --> 01:27:40,490
as the third eye that we just it looks

1882
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:43,700
like an eye to us so we've we've just

1883
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:47,840
made a mistake now I know I think I

1884
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:49,850
think one of the misconceptions about

1885
01:27:54,850 --> 01:27:52,010
the eye rod I abhor is that it's

1886
01:27:57,790 --> 01:27:54,860
strictly the pineal gland I think the

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01:27:59,800 --> 01:27:57,800
work is very Osborn he was the first

1888
01:28:01,620 --> 01:27:59,810
person I'm aware that is shown that the

1889
01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:01,630
eye of the eye of Horace or the i broug

1890
01:28:07,060 --> 01:28:05,240
seems to be showing this more of the

1891
01:28:08,740 --> 01:28:07,070
brain Invista pineal gland is healing

1892
01:28:10,780 --> 01:28:08,750
the thalamus and yes and the pineal

1893
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:10,790
gland and the corpus callosum and this

1894
01:28:16,150 --> 01:28:13,040
whole other thing and I think it's in

1895
01:28:17,530 --> 01:28:16,160
coming up in episode 6 but I even threw

1896
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:17,540
out the idea that I think that I have

1897
01:28:22,930 --> 01:28:20,960
excuse me I think the eye of horus is

1898
01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:22,940
actually showing the ventricles of the

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01:28:27,850 --> 01:28:25,100
brain that are the cavities are the

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01:28:29,140 --> 01:28:27,860
caverns in the brain that are around the

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:29,150
thalamus and that are around

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01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:33,530
the third ventricle and I think it's the

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01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:35,210
the the ventricles are what Philip with

1904
01:28:39,490 --> 01:28:37,400
cerebral spinal fluid and people spinal

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01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:39,500
fluid goes and baby's brain and to the

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01:28:44,350 --> 01:28:42,410
into those well I guess Brad I guess

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01:28:46,990 --> 01:28:44,360
that's what I'm suggesting here right

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01:28:49,810 --> 01:28:47,000
that it's not an eye that's all that I'm

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:49,820
saying it's the medulla oblongata right

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01:28:55,540 --> 01:28:54,410
it's yes yes yeah III think that symbol

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01:28:56,710 --> 01:28:55,550
of the eye and actually the the

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01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:56,720
symposium that I'm gonna give for

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01:29:01,210 --> 01:28:58,130
thematically something it talks directly

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01:29:02,860 --> 01:29:01,220
to that idea of of this idea of the

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01:29:04,090 --> 01:29:02,870
mind's eye I think certainly something

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01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:04,100
that's when people talk about the pineal

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01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:06,170
gland that's on this idea of a third eye

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01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:07,280
and that they're trying to but we have

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01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:08,960
two eyes and there's this one single eye

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01:29:12,670 --> 01:29:10,310
and they're trying to locate it in the

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01:29:14,020 --> 01:29:12,680
brain and I think the idea of the mind's

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01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:14,030
eye is something that is much more

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01:29:17,410 --> 01:29:15,650
easier I think that's cool what that

1924
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,420
symbol is talking about is its ability

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01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:19,120
to see inside your head like your

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01:29:24,850 --> 01:29:22,250
imagination and and and not only that

1927
01:29:26,890 --> 01:29:24,860
but the eye is also a symbol for

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01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:26,900
understanding it for perception and for

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01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:29,870
knowing and so when when we understand

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01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:31,130
something we say oh I see what you're

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01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:32,810
saying we'll see what I mean right you

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01:29:37,930 --> 01:29:33,890
don't see where I'm coming from

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01:29:39,820 --> 01:29:37,940
so the sight and vision is is not just

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01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:39,830
about seeing it's about perceiving and

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01:29:44,530 --> 01:29:42,890
understanding and so the symbol of the

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01:29:46,530 --> 01:29:44,540
eye is I think it's one of these that

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01:29:48,730 --> 01:29:46,540
gets kind of you know unfortunately

1938
01:29:50,620 --> 01:29:48,740
marginalized as as this symbol for the

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01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:50,630
Illuminati when really the symbol for

1940
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:54,710
that is you know the symbol for the eye

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01:29:59,200 --> 01:29:56,650
of providence it's the eye of God

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01:30:01,240 --> 01:29:59,210
all-knowing eye that sees everything and

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01:30:04,090 --> 01:30:01,250
knows everything so the eye is a symbol

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01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:04,100
for wisdom we got to take a break right

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01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:06,410
here Brad we'll pick up where we left

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01:30:09,970 --> 01:30:08,090
off when we come back our guest tonight

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Brad Claussen this is night 3 of our

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Neos to be Church stay with us we'll be

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listening to me Church this is

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01:34:57,370 --> 01:34:55,870
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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01:34:59,380 --> 01:34:57,380
your host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

2034
01:35:03,220 --> 01:34:59,390
Brad Claussen we're talking about

2035
01:35:05,650 --> 01:35:03,230
ancient Egypt's and we're jumping back a

2036
01:35:07,630 --> 01:35:05,660
little bit further because we're going

2037
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:07,640
to lead up and and continue the

2038
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:09,650
conversation throughout Egypt tonight

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and Brad will be presenting online at

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everything out there I Brad I actually

2044
01:35:29,260 --> 01:35:25,460
had the chance to go on with chant I had

2045
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:29,270
the chance to Colombo chance last week

2046
01:35:36,430 --> 01:35:32,480
and I had such a great time and I look

2047
01:35:39,250 --> 01:35:36,440
at what chance and Vinnies have

2048
01:35:41,650 --> 01:35:39,260
assembled and the intellectuals and the

2049
01:35:45,250 --> 01:35:41,660
researchers there man man man have you

2050
01:35:46,510 --> 01:35:45,260
been following it yes not as much as I

2051
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:46,520
would like to because I've just been

2052
01:35:49,570 --> 01:35:47,840
sort of preoccupied with a bunch of

2053
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:49,580
stuff but I'm grateful that it's all

2054
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:51,710
been recorded and I can go back and you

2055
01:35:55,330 --> 01:35:54,080
know just go through over the fine-tooth

2056
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,340
comb because it is a lot of really

2057
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,440
interesting people and that's one of the

2058
01:36:01,900 --> 01:35:59,600
things to do about chance is that I

2059
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:01,910
don't think people realize is that what

2060
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:04,850
I went and saw John in 2013 and I showed

2061
01:36:09,010 --> 01:36:07,010
him sort of the core of the stuff that I

2062
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:09,020
had I would always bring up stuff from

2063
01:36:12,460 --> 01:36:11,330
the first magically gypsy series and say

2064
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:12,470
like well I'm when you know when it said

2065
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,210
this and heroes go that was my partner

2066
01:36:18,690 --> 01:36:16,400
chance who said that I mean I always

2067
01:36:21,310 --> 01:36:18,700
thought it was John's information and

2068
01:36:23,170 --> 01:36:21,320
you I don't think it's good that for

2069
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:23,180
this series chances out from behind the

2070
01:36:26,830 --> 01:36:24,530
camera cause you realize how much

2071
01:36:28,630 --> 01:36:26,840
information he has and how much insight

2072
01:36:29,950 --> 01:36:28,640
the chance has and every time you watch

2073
01:36:31,390 --> 01:36:29,960
magically Egypt in the narrator's

2074
01:36:34,290 --> 01:36:31,400
talking chance wrote that and that's

2075
01:36:37,180 --> 01:36:34,300
that there's just some profoundly

2076
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:37,190
insightful things and and I'm blown away

2077
01:36:40,570 --> 01:36:38,690
that I mean if you think of all the

2078
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,580
people that chances emailing with all of

2079
01:36:43,870 --> 01:36:42,560
us all of us contributors and how I was

2080
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:43,880
able to keep all this information

2081
01:36:48,580 --> 01:36:46,130
straight and how he's able to synthesize

2082
01:36:52,300 --> 01:36:48,590
it all and put it all together and then

2083
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:52,310
he does all the animation and the the

2084
01:36:58,170 --> 01:36:54,970
editing and the directing and the the

2085
01:37:01,300 --> 01:36:58,180
score for the whole thing it's a truly

2086
01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:01,310
Herculean Renaissance masterpiece of

2087
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:03,560
work that he's been able to do and I'm

2088
01:37:10,570 --> 01:37:06,770
always kind of amazed at how much

2089
01:37:13,570 --> 01:37:10,580
nose yeah it's a he's incredible he he's

2090
01:37:16,030 --> 01:37:13,580
about the funnest and most humble guy

2091
01:37:17,860 --> 01:37:16,040
right he you know it's he's a great

2092
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:17,870
combination of both he's really really

2093
01:37:23,470 --> 01:37:21,050
funny and you'd start talking to him and

2094
01:37:25,930 --> 01:37:23,480
all you have to do and I you know I do

2095
01:37:28,510 --> 01:37:25,940
this with him it's sport it's just

2096
01:37:31,420 --> 01:37:28,520
mentioned a subject or a word and and

2097
01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:31,430
watch his brain work and how he is able

2098
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:35,420
to just take off and and you get this

2099
01:37:39,220 --> 01:37:37,010
knowledge out of him and you start to

2100
01:37:41,140 --> 01:37:39,230
realize how how deep how much depth

2101
01:37:42,970 --> 01:37:41,150
there is to chance Gardner he's an

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01:37:44,710 --> 01:37:42,980
extraordinary guy I'm sure he's

2103
01:37:48,010 --> 01:37:44,720
listening right now and he's he's

2104
01:37:51,220 --> 01:37:48,020
embarrassed but chance that's it's the

2105
01:37:54,340 --> 01:37:51,230
life you chose man that's you don't have

2106
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:54,350
it so it I have just posted let's get

2107
01:38:00,430 --> 01:37:57,050
into these Venus figurines I've just

2108
01:38:04,090 --> 01:38:00,440
posted up on Twitter a collection and

2109
01:38:09,220 --> 01:38:04,100
you talk about all of these in in the

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01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:09,230
film so they're all here and that and

2111
01:38:15,700 --> 01:38:13,370
they're all similar in that as you talk

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01:38:18,610 --> 01:38:15,710
about your revelations that you had with

2113
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:18,620
these figurines it's it's it's pretty

2114
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:22,400
much relative to each one if you know

2115
01:38:26,170 --> 01:38:24,410
what I'm saying whatever part of the

2116
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:26,180
figurine you're talking about it

2117
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:29,570
overlaps to all of the symbolism with

2118
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:34,610
these ancient Venus figurines yeah and I

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01:38:38,290 --> 01:38:37,040
mean there's a variety of them - I mean

2120
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that's that's one of the things that

2121
01:38:44,740 --> 01:38:40,610
I've come from I'm coming from the point

2122
01:38:47,190 --> 01:38:44,750
of view to just wanted to know what

2123
01:38:49,780 --> 01:38:47,200
people what human beings have known and

2124
01:38:52,270 --> 01:38:49,790
it's more of a global bigger picture and

2125
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,280
I get I'm not good because I'm not good

2126
01:38:56,170 --> 01:38:54,560
with history and chronology but but

2127
01:38:58,360 --> 01:38:56,180
coming back to what we're talking about

2128
01:39:01,480 --> 01:38:58,370
earlier I've come to prove I don't care

2129
01:39:03,550 --> 01:39:01,490
any more about how old things are or

2130
01:39:05,710 --> 01:39:03,560
where they fit in chronology it's just

2131
01:39:07,930 --> 01:39:05,720
proof these just the artifacts and

2132
01:39:10,570 --> 01:39:07,940
things that human beings have created

2133
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:10,580
and there was some article I saw

2134
01:39:13,870 --> 01:39:12,410
recently talking about some petroglyphs

2135
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:13,880
that were found in India that were

2136
01:39:17,530 --> 01:39:15,650
supposed to go 10,000 years old right

2137
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:17,540
and and and so everything just keeps

2138
01:39:19,870 --> 01:39:19,010
getting pushed back everything just

2139
01:39:22,570 --> 01:39:19,880
keeps getting pushed back

2140
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:22,580
and push back and push back so I've got

2141
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:24,110
to a point where I don't really care

2142
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:26,090
about the timeframe anymore I'm not

2143
01:39:30,250 --> 01:39:28,010
looking for Zep tepi I'm not looking for

2144
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,260
the first time it's becoming more

2145
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,960
prevalent to me that this is just

2146
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,880
information that exists and that human

2147
01:39:38,650 --> 01:39:36,560
beings have been able to tap into it

2148
01:39:40,540 --> 01:39:38,660
forever you know as long as we've been

2149
01:39:43,330 --> 01:39:40,550
able to contemplate understand to think

2150
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:43,340
it seems that there is just a recurring

2151
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:45,010
theme throughout human history that

2152
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,890
human beings spent time contemplating

2153
01:39:52,930 --> 01:39:51,440
the questions and contemplating

2154
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:52,940
existence and contemplating

2155
01:39:58,420 --> 01:39:54,710
consciousness and figured some stuff out

2156
01:40:01,000 --> 01:39:58,430
and if you think about it you know if

2157
01:40:03,130 --> 01:40:01,010
you're in a monk in a monastery up in a

2158
01:40:05,050 --> 01:40:03,140
mountain on some mountaintop and all

2159
01:40:07,390 --> 01:40:05,060
you're doing is devoting your life to

2160
01:40:10,060 --> 01:40:07,400
the meditation and prayer into these

2161
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:10,070
bigger pictures and these are sort of

2162
01:40:13,870 --> 01:40:12,410
you know the professional level sages

2163
01:40:14,890 --> 01:40:13,880
and philosophers at some point people

2164
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:14,900
are going to figure something out

2165
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:16,250
they're going to make break because it

2166
01:40:20,350 --> 01:40:18,650
can have revelations and and and we have

2167
01:40:22,630 --> 01:40:20,360
these revelations all the time we have

2168
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:22,640
revelations of Epiphany every day

2169
01:40:27,730 --> 01:40:25,610
somebody cut some revelation I was just

2170
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:27,740
watching a video today with Grandmaster

2171
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:29,360
Flash talking about how he was able to

2172
01:40:34,150 --> 01:40:30,650
figure out how to keep the drumbeat

2173
01:40:36,190 --> 01:40:34,160
going on records and how he ended up

2174
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:36,200
creating the whole field of hip-hop and

2175
01:40:40,990 --> 01:40:37,610
how he created their scratching and it's

2176
01:40:42,910 --> 01:40:41,000
at some point somebody has to have a

2177
01:40:44,380 --> 01:40:42,920
revelation that nobody else had before

2178
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:44,390
somebody else sees something that way

2179
01:40:50,350 --> 01:40:48,170
and something makes sense to them that's

2180
01:40:52,450 --> 01:40:50,360
just basically a long-winded way to say

2181
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:52,460
that when I look at these really old

2182
01:40:58,330 --> 01:40:56,570
figurines and statues that I'm now if

2183
01:41:00,190 --> 01:40:58,340
you told me it's artwork can come out

2184
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:00,200
that was said that of a hundred thousand

2185
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:01,370
years old I'm not going to be fazed by

2186
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:02,810
it anymore because it's just becoming

2187
01:41:06,610 --> 01:41:04,850
evident to me that this is just things

2188
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:06,620
that human beings are able to access and

2189
01:41:16,020 --> 01:41:08,840
able to tap into and they understand it

2190
01:41:20,290 --> 01:41:16,030
and well I've got other I've got the the

2191
01:41:23,620 --> 01:41:20,300
earliest Venus figurine let's talk about

2192
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:23,630
that because you you spend a lot of time

2193
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:24,890
on on

2194
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:28,010
this in the hole yeah the challah fells

2195
01:41:35,770 --> 01:41:32,890
and that when you look at it obviously

2196
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,780
the female form is apparent right yeah

2197
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:38,480
okay we recognize what's going on here

2198
01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:44,000
but as you analyze this figurine and

2199
01:41:49,150 --> 01:41:46,790
break it down it's pretty astounding

2200
01:41:50,980 --> 01:41:49,160
what's going on here and then when you

2201
01:41:53,070 --> 01:41:50,990
add in the element like you just said

2202
01:41:56,350 --> 01:41:53,080
right twenty-five thousand years ago

2203
01:41:57,730 --> 01:41:56,360
that's that takes things to a whole

2204
01:42:01,870 --> 01:41:57,740
nother level of the human understanding

2205
01:42:04,090 --> 01:42:01,880
and what was going on yeah like I said I

2206
01:42:06,010 --> 01:42:04,100
I imagine you know I think chance and

2207
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,020
Bonita have been trying to find like our

2208
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:08,000
neurological Robert Schoch you know

2209
01:42:11,950 --> 01:42:09,440
something that we can you know show

2210
01:42:13,540 --> 01:42:11,960
these these things to who's who's not

2211
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:13,550
going to be scared and run off and say

2212
01:42:17,650 --> 01:42:15,920
you know you can't talk about water

2213
01:42:19,090 --> 01:42:17,660
erosion on the Sphinx enclosure you know

2214
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:19,100
we need to get a similar sort of

2215
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:21,050
academic person to kind of look at these

2216
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:24,080
things and you know maybe say hey you

2217
01:42:27,490 --> 01:42:25,280
guys are on the right you're on the

2218
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:27,500
right path but that Jolla fellows Venus

2219
01:42:32,410 --> 01:42:30,710
that one to me is one of them of all the

2220
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:32,420
Venus's that one's me really looks like

2221
01:42:35,890 --> 01:42:34,490
a brain stem I mean even the the thing

2222
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:35,900
that you know really gives it away at

2223
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:37,910
the stripes or the ribbiting across the

2224
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:41,360
chest of the the stomach of the Venus

2225
01:42:47,890 --> 01:42:43,760
which is what you see on the thalamus

2226
01:42:49,780 --> 01:42:47,900
and and there's that one to me is just I

2227
01:42:51,580 --> 01:42:49,790
look and the other thing too they say

2228
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:51,590
that brain stems are about the size of a

2229
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:54,080
thumb and that Jolla fellas Venus is

2230
01:42:56,620 --> 01:42:55,370
about the size of a thumb I don't

2231
01:42:59,140 --> 01:42:56,630
remember the exact dimensions but it's

2232
01:43:02,250 --> 01:42:59,150
about the same life as a human thumb so

2233
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:02,260
it even is the same size as a brain stem

2234
01:43:08,710 --> 01:43:06,110
and in the ishtar statute there's

2235
01:43:11,020 --> 01:43:08,720
another as an Ishtar statue from 2000 BC

2236
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:11,030
as in phantom BCE or whatever found in

2237
01:43:16,090 --> 01:43:13,250
Mesopotamia and that's showing the back

2238
01:43:17,770 --> 01:43:16,100
side of the brain stem and the Ishtar

2239
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:17,780
statue she has a necklace and the

2240
01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:19,610
necklace the medallion of the necklace

2241
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:21,020
it's right where the pineal gland sits

2242
01:43:24,490 --> 01:43:23,090
on the back their brain stem and the way

2243
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:24,500
that she's holding her breast which is

2244
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:27,170
known as the is Ishtar pose is almost

2245
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,850
exactly the same as what you when you

2246
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:31,040
see the backside of the brainstem and

2247
01:43:37,420 --> 01:43:34,010
those those two statues in particular

2248
01:43:38,649 --> 01:43:37,430
and we were just like you can't ignore

2249
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:38,659
this you

2250
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:40,130
that side-by-side with brain anatomy

2251
01:43:47,140 --> 01:43:44,630
it's very similar and and again that I

2252
01:43:48,850 --> 01:43:47,150
think most of modern academia would

2253
01:43:50,589 --> 01:43:48,860
scoff and laugh at and say that there's

2254
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:50,599
no way there's no way that human beings

2255
01:43:53,709 --> 01:43:52,159
twenty five thousand forty thousand

2256
01:43:56,529 --> 01:43:53,719
years ago had any information or any

2257
01:43:59,739 --> 01:43:56,539
knowledge about brain anatomy let alone

2258
01:44:01,959 --> 01:43:59,749
to brain stem and the other interesting

2259
01:44:04,750 --> 01:44:01,969
thing too about those those like the

2260
01:44:06,370 --> 01:44:04,760
Artemis statues and the vena statues is

2261
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:06,380
this association with fertility that

2262
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:07,489
they're talking about fertility and

2263
01:44:10,540 --> 01:44:08,630
there's a there's another way to look at

2264
01:44:12,429 --> 01:44:10,550
fertility as fertility being like the

2265
01:44:14,199 --> 01:44:12,439
the river of the Nile

2266
01:44:16,029 --> 01:44:14,209
you know it's fertilizing and it's

2267
01:44:18,219 --> 01:44:16,039
allowing people to survive and live off

2268
01:44:20,949 --> 01:44:18,229
of and grow food and to have this this

2269
01:44:23,169 --> 01:44:20,959
whole culture the the Nile of the spine

2270
01:44:25,419 --> 01:44:23,179
the brainstem is the start of it and and

2271
01:44:27,729 --> 01:44:25,429
this cerebral spinal fluid runs down

2272
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:27,739
through the spine and so it's watering

2273
01:44:31,779 --> 01:44:29,360
the garden of the body and so you had

2274
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:31,789
this other interpretation of fertility

2275
01:44:36,909 --> 01:44:33,650
that it's providing the fertility for

2276
01:44:38,649 --> 01:44:36,919
the for the body itself and then you

2277
01:44:40,359 --> 01:44:38,659
look at the mythology and the

2278
01:44:42,929 --> 01:44:40,369
associations of these goddesses like

2279
01:44:45,879 --> 01:44:42,939
artemis and her temples were always

2280
01:44:47,469 --> 01:44:45,889
built next to rivers into lakes and and

2281
01:44:49,540 --> 01:44:47,479
and you start seeing this association

2282
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:49,550
with with water and with fluid and

2283
01:44:53,500 --> 01:44:52,159
that's right underneath the third

2284
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:53,510
ventricle and these were these these

2285
01:44:57,790 --> 01:44:56,090
cavities of brain fluid are being

2286
01:45:00,580 --> 01:44:57,800
produced and then being distributed out

2287
01:45:03,969 --> 01:45:00,590
to the body so it's not just how these

2288
01:45:05,799 --> 01:45:03,979
statues look it's that it's also the the

2289
01:45:07,839 --> 01:45:05,809
symbolism and then and the stories

2290
01:45:09,909 --> 01:45:07,849
behind the goddesses and that's that

2291
01:45:12,729 --> 01:45:09,919
tuber that that helps kind of validate

2292
01:45:15,939 --> 01:45:12,739
this idea that this in my mind is

2293
01:45:20,169 --> 01:45:15,949
discussing the physiology of brain

2294
01:45:21,759 --> 01:45:20,179
anatomy now how did you the first time

2295
01:45:24,969 --> 01:45:21,769
as you started to make the connection

2296
01:45:29,020 --> 01:45:24,979
like with Halle fells and the other

2297
01:45:33,429 --> 01:45:29,030
early Venus statues what did you see

2298
01:45:35,169 --> 01:45:33,439
first the brain connection man events

2299
01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:35,179
just didn't sound bright but I guess

2300
01:45:40,179 --> 01:45:38,510
that's I think there was there was one

2301
01:45:41,620 --> 01:45:40,189
that was a there was a plastic model

2302
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,630
like I said that the great thing about

2303
01:45:45,819 --> 01:45:43,760
it any sort of internet image searches

2304
01:45:46,959 --> 01:45:45,829
you get to see if you type in brain stem

2305
01:45:48,759 --> 01:45:46,969
you're gonna get to see drawings you're

2306
01:45:51,129 --> 01:45:48,769
gonna get to see illustration you're

2307
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:51,139
gonna get to see photos you're gonna get

2308
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,400
to see models on step

2309
01:45:55,570 --> 01:45:54,080
was a plastic model of the brain stem

2310
01:45:57,490 --> 01:45:55,580
where the thalamus sitting on top of it

2311
01:45:59,169 --> 01:45:57,500
and the way that the thalamus was

2312
01:46:00,700 --> 01:45:59,179
depicted in the way that the third

2313
01:46:03,370 --> 01:46:00,710
ventricle was depicted it looked like

2314
01:46:05,380 --> 01:46:03,380
the snout of an animal and I looked at

2315
01:46:07,090 --> 01:46:05,390
that and I went I've seen this whole

2316
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:07,100
composition with a snout of an animal

2317
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:08,570
sitting on top of a column and I was

2318
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:10,159
like it's the RAM sphinxes of Karnak

2319
01:46:14,140 --> 01:46:12,530
that one when I started seeing that and

2320
01:46:16,979 --> 01:46:14,150
I put it side by side that's when things

2321
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:16,989
really started to click I went that's

2322
01:46:21,610 --> 01:46:19,730
they're showing you a brainstem and the

2323
01:46:24,220 --> 01:46:21,620
Rams head sitting on top of it is the

2324
01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:24,230
brain and that's when things really

2325
01:46:31,540 --> 01:46:28,100
started to click and I went there's

2326
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:31,550
something here you know yeah I'm looking

2327
01:46:38,189 --> 01:46:35,390
at it and it's it's pretty for me

2328
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:38,199
because of your presentation on this

2329
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:41,570
that's exactly what is is being

2330
01:46:46,930 --> 01:46:43,520
represented here and I don't want to

2331
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:46,940
sound like it's it's not female right

2332
01:46:52,450 --> 01:46:49,250
and it's not fertility well okay but it

2333
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:52,460
can still be both but certainly yeah the

2334
01:46:58,720 --> 01:46:56,719
brain is is is represented here yes and

2335
01:47:00,280 --> 01:46:58,730
any good simple can work on multiple

2336
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:00,290
levels and that's one things I think

2337
01:47:04,169 --> 01:47:01,730
people don't understand because you see

2338
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:04,179
the symbol of a stop sign and you know

2339
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,170
meaning it shouldn't have multiple

2340
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:08,480
meanings you know right and now we're

2341
01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:12,800
suggesting clearly and so are you that

2342
01:47:20,350 --> 01:47:15,100
they were doing autopsies

2343
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:20,360
right you have to be able to remove the

2344
01:47:26,530 --> 01:47:24,080
skull skillfully and not damage the

2345
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:26,540
brain and then turn around and and cut

2346
01:47:32,979 --> 01:47:30,130
the brain apart too as well yeah I I

2347
01:47:34,660 --> 01:47:32,989
would have to imagine and unless it's

2348
01:47:37,330 --> 01:47:34,670
you know like I said unless you're

2349
01:47:39,669 --> 01:47:37,340
thinking of some sort of you know like

2350
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:39,679
remote viewing of the body and they just

2351
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:42,110
they had some sort of some sort of

2352
01:47:45,130 --> 01:47:44,000
ability to see within and see stuff but

2353
01:47:46,990 --> 01:47:45,140
I would think the common sense thing

2354
01:47:48,820 --> 01:47:47,000
would be that you know I would imagine

2355
01:47:50,260 --> 01:47:48,830
somebody got their head cracked open by

2356
01:47:51,370 --> 01:47:50,270
a rock and split open and that was

2357
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:51,380
probably the first time that somebody

2358
01:47:56,169 --> 01:47:54,110
said look at this you know and you said

2359
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:56,179
what's in there and I don't imagine any

2360
01:48:00,100 --> 01:47:57,920
early human beings if you're hanging out

2361
01:48:01,780 --> 01:48:00,110
with your tribe and your people and

2362
01:48:03,939 --> 01:48:01,790
someone's head spills open but there's

2363
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:03,949
gonna be some person it goes what is

2364
01:48:09,650 --> 01:48:05,730
this what's in there you know

2365
01:48:11,930 --> 01:48:09,660
and and and IIIi would have I would

2366
01:48:14,210 --> 01:48:11,940
think they probably were carving up

2367
01:48:16,220 --> 01:48:14,220
bodies and being inquisitive because we

2368
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:16,230
do it too right so it's the human beings

2369
01:48:21,470 --> 01:48:18,510
a weakling DaVinci did it he was curious

2370
01:48:23,780 --> 01:48:21,480
he wanted to know you know you just have

2371
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:23,790
to go down that gruesome path of carving

2372
01:48:27,470 --> 01:48:25,860
our bodies but my brother-in-law works

2373
01:48:28,820 --> 01:48:27,480
in the medical field not talk to him

2374
01:48:30,500 --> 01:48:28,830
about when you have to learn about

2375
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:30,510
working on cadavers and stuff like that

2376
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:32,850
and second to certain people that have

2377
01:48:37,610 --> 01:48:33,810
the stomach for it

2378
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:37,620
I remember in biology when it came to

2379
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:41,330
the dissecting of the frog right I

2380
01:48:46,610 --> 01:48:43,320
miraculously

2381
01:48:48,590 --> 01:48:46,620
missed that class right in my biology

2382
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:48,600
teacher I didn't want to do it I I

2383
01:48:53,900 --> 01:48:50,880
couldn't deal with the worms that was

2384
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,910
that I could not deal and so we had to

2385
01:48:57,500 --> 01:48:55,920
do the frogs and and I don't show up and

2386
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,510
he's like okay well you know you've got

2387
01:49:02,840 --> 01:48:59,520
to come in you got to come in on Monday

2388
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,850
I missed that okay you've got to come in

2389
01:49:07,670 --> 01:49:05,040
on Saturday I'm gonna be here on

2390
01:49:09,620 --> 01:49:07,680
Saturday and you and I are gonna do this

2391
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:09,630
together for whatever happened I didn't

2392
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:11,970
do it you know how I got out of it I

2393
01:49:22,370 --> 01:49:15,690
never dissected a frog I had to wash his

2394
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:22,380
car dude drove a Corvette and made me

2395
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:24,330
wash his car I'm not making this up

2396
01:49:29,450 --> 01:49:26,520
I never dissected the Frog it's an

2397
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:29,460
interesting just to look farther but I

2398
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:32,250
could I couldn't do it and I was totally

2399
01:49:41,860 --> 01:49:37,890
cool with it you know I just couldn't do

2400
01:49:45,980 --> 01:49:41,870
it and I I couldn't do it now let's

2401
01:49:49,970 --> 01:49:45,990
let's move into let's let's jump ten

2402
01:49:51,980 --> 01:49:49,980
thousand years you start to with chance

2403
01:49:55,460 --> 01:49:51,990
and you guys are going through the

2404
01:49:57,740 --> 01:49:55,470
symbolism of statues and entrances of

2405
01:50:00,620 --> 01:49:57,750
different temples and certainly you do

2406
01:50:03,860 --> 01:50:00,630
cover Luxor and others where this

2407
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:03,870
symbolism of anatomy is right there it's

2408
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:06,480
right there in front of you now think

2409
01:50:12,430 --> 01:50:09,840
about how many tourists Brad are walking

2410
01:50:14,700 --> 01:50:12,440
past this all day long and see feet

2411
01:50:17,130 --> 01:50:14,710
right

2412
01:50:18,810 --> 01:50:17,140
they see shoulders they see heads they

2413
01:50:20,580 --> 01:50:18,820
see a statue they see somebody sitting

2414
01:50:25,470 --> 01:50:20,590
they see somebody stand but they don't

2415
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:25,480
they don't see the symbolism of what is

2416
01:50:30,150 --> 01:50:28,690
going on here but now it is it it's

2417
01:50:33,180 --> 01:50:30,160
right there it's staring at you in the

2418
01:50:39,110 --> 01:50:33,190
face now take us through that and how

2419
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:39,120
you started to see this too as well um

2420
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:41,290
well that's funny to you like I would

2421
01:50:45,450 --> 01:50:43,450
when we were in Egypt with John we we're

2422
01:50:47,310 --> 01:50:45,460
at Luxor and it was just swarming with

2423
01:50:49,890 --> 01:50:47,320
as he calls them Krakow

2424
01:50:51,959 --> 01:50:49,900
um just swarming with with tourists and

2425
01:50:53,490 --> 01:50:51,969
I came up to him I said I think I

2426
01:50:55,020 --> 01:50:53,500
figured out what the temple of Luxor was

2427
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:55,030
Florida said I think they built it for a

2428
01:50:57,870 --> 01:50:56,530
backdrop for people's photos because

2429
01:50:59,340 --> 01:50:57,880
that's all it was people just taking

2430
01:51:01,229 --> 01:50:59,350
pictures of themselves with it you know

2431
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:01,239
the Egyptian temple behind it to go put

2432
01:51:07,470 --> 01:51:03,330
on their social media or something right

2433
01:51:08,820 --> 01:51:07,480
but I think it's the same thing I kind

2434
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:08,830
of stand before with a lot with a lot of

2435
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:12,250
artwork that is the chants and has been

2436
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:13,360
sort of talking about this idea of

2437
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:15,370
didactic artwork that there's artwork

2438
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:18,070
that is teaching you something and it's

2439
01:51:23,850 --> 01:51:22,570
conveying important its relaying

2440
01:51:25,890 --> 01:51:23,860
information it's not just something

2441
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:25,900
pretty to look at you know and I always

2442
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:27,910
used the chance I talked about this to

2443
01:51:31,709 --> 01:51:30,489
the idea of an owner's manual and I mean

2444
01:51:33,810 --> 01:51:31,719
if you imagine if your car broke down

2445
01:51:35,190 --> 01:51:33,820
and you pop up in the hood and you don't

2446
01:51:37,860 --> 01:51:35,200
know what to do and you go to get the

2447
01:51:42,300 --> 01:51:37,870
manual out of the glove box and it's

2448
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:42,310
this cryptic 800 page poem but every

2449
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:44,650
part of the car is you know being you

2450
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:46,570
know and then if it's all an allegory

2451
01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:48,010
for how the car works or it's some sort

2452
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:49,270
of cryptic book of imagery like

2453
01:51:53,490 --> 01:51:51,610
alchemical imagery but every single it's

2454
01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:53,500
all relating to you know how the car

2455
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:55,630
works and how the engine works that

2456
01:51:58,350 --> 01:51:57,070
would be confusing that most of us would

2457
01:52:00,000 --> 01:51:58,360
not make any sense like why wouldn't

2458
01:52:01,620 --> 01:52:00,010
just write down the information said

2459
01:52:03,410 --> 01:52:01,630
this is in visions how the car works why

2460
01:52:06,990 --> 01:52:03,420
are you giving me this cryptic artwork

2461
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:07,000
so I I think it's one of the things that

2462
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:10,090
we need to to address in the field is

2463
01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:11,770
that it's not just artwork for the sake

2464
01:52:16,110 --> 01:52:13,780
of making artwork it's artwork for the

2465
01:52:17,970 --> 01:52:16,120
sake of relaying information and not

2466
01:52:20,250 --> 01:52:17,980
only that relaying information across

2467
01:52:21,870 --> 01:52:20,260
the barriers of language because you

2468
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:21,880
don't need to speak you don't need to

2469
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:23,290
speak Egyptian to look at some of that

2470
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:25,210
artwork and have it affect you were to

2471
01:52:31,020 --> 01:52:28,719
see what it's saying and I say

2472
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,030
that is something that hopefully we can

2473
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:33,040
convey jour this second round of this

2474
01:52:39,150 --> 01:52:35,050
magical Egypt series is that there's

2475
01:52:41,670 --> 01:52:39,160
more to artwork than just aesthetics and

2476
01:52:43,709 --> 01:52:41,680
just decorating a temple and just having

2477
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:43,719
these these offerings to the gods and

2478
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:45,310
just saying look we've made this temple

2479
01:52:49,170 --> 01:52:47,110
of you and the statue of you in hopes

2480
01:52:51,930 --> 01:52:49,180
that you will bring us food or do

2481
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:51,940
whatever this isn't just the

2482
01:52:56,010 --> 01:52:53,650
superstitions of the primitive people

2483
01:52:58,610 --> 01:52:56,020
this is this is the artwork of a highly

2484
01:53:01,470 --> 01:52:58,620
intelligent people who've been able to

2485
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:01,480
encode information in symbol and

2486
01:53:04,410 --> 01:53:02,890
metaphor and do it in such a brilliant

2487
01:53:08,190 --> 01:53:04,420
way that we're still talking about it

2488
01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:08,200
today and you guys broke break down Abu

2489
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:13,780
Simbel too as well Abu Simbel yes all

2490
01:53:17,010 --> 01:53:15,489
right I don't have anything on every

2491
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:17,020
symbol but this chance if there's

2492
01:53:21,420 --> 01:53:18,850
somebody else in the other canoe I

2493
01:53:25,410 --> 01:53:21,430
thought I thought it was you that that

2494
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:25,420
broke it down when do you I just that

2495
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:29,890
the the the the Ramses entrance there to

2496
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,320
have a symbol just it's still to this

2497
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:34,560
day freaks me out

2498
01:53:42,750 --> 01:53:38,410
did you go there with Eva no no I didn't

2499
01:53:45,150 --> 01:53:42,760
go with John I know I did not I've you

2500
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:45,160
know I've talked to John and and hung

2501
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:46,690
out with him many times and discussed

2502
01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:48,850
this for for hours and hours and hours

2503
01:53:56,130 --> 01:53:52,480
and hours but no I never went he invited

2504
01:53:59,370 --> 01:53:56,140
us to go there every single year but we

2505
01:54:02,760 --> 01:53:59,380
we never went and I think chance said

2506
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:02,770
that the other day in our in our thing

2507
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:05,110
on the symposium but it blew past me so

2508
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:08,530
quick I and I was talking and I thought

2509
01:54:15,150 --> 01:54:12,000
to myself just say I went to Egypt with

2510
01:54:17,970 --> 01:54:15,160
with jaws but I forgot about that no I

2511
01:54:23,190 --> 01:54:17,980
did not go we were yeah we're gonna go

2512
01:54:28,740 --> 01:54:23,200
to Egypt next year but back to Luxor and

2513
01:54:30,270 --> 01:54:28,750
and you going up to John it was that was

2514
01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:30,280
that when it started to all come

2515
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:35,500
together yeah I mean getting to getting

2516
01:54:39,959 --> 01:54:38,530
to go be in those I think one of the

2517
01:54:41,950 --> 01:54:39,969
places were to actually things started

2518
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:41,960
there really kind of makes them

2519
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:44,450
sort of nonsense but make me realize

2520
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:45,530
that there was something else going on

2521
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:48,170
was studies the first temple of Abydos

2522
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:51,770
that that temple is amazing it has some

2523
01:54:57,700 --> 01:54:56,210
of the most like still color the color

2524
01:54:59,260 --> 01:54:57,710
on the hieroglyphs is there still

2525
01:55:00,760 --> 01:54:59,270
there's still a fair amount of it so you

2526
01:55:01,930 --> 01:55:00,770
can still get to get kind of a glimpse

2527
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:01,940
of what they would have looked like but

2528
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:03,650
then it just it's this really elaborate

2529
01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:05,570
carving to where it sits relief carving

2530
01:55:10,180 --> 01:55:06,680
the hieroglyphs are not carved beyond

2531
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:10,190
the carve off the wall and that place

2532
01:55:12,910 --> 01:55:11,330
when you're looking at the imagery and

2533
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:12,920
the higher bus and there but the whole

2534
01:55:16,750 --> 01:55:15,230
time I kept thinking like I this seems

2535
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:16,760
like a mystery school to me I couldn't

2536
01:55:20,290 --> 01:55:19,280
put my finger on exactly why hey you

2537
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,300
know there's there's times where I take

2538
01:55:23,650 --> 01:55:22,400
my dog for walks in the woods and I'll

2539
01:55:25,479 --> 01:55:23,660
come out of the woods and think like

2540
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:25,489
I've learned something but I can't put

2541
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:27,110
my finger on it and just through hanging

2542
01:55:29,740 --> 01:55:28,370
out nature and hanging out the wood

2543
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:29,750
effects some sort of information it's

2544
01:55:32,500 --> 01:55:31,250
been given to me but I couldn't tell you

2545
01:55:35,140 --> 01:55:32,510
what it was I just feel like I'm in the

2546
01:55:37,650 --> 01:55:35,150
presence of some sort of of information

2547
01:55:40,060 --> 01:55:37,660
and it steadies temple if that was just

2548
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:40,070
that was happening a lot where I would

2549
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:41,810
love to go back there and try and to try

2550
01:55:46,270 --> 01:55:44,239
and decipher those the hieroglyphs there

2551
01:55:48,270 --> 01:55:46,280
and then fighting about SETI's temple of

2552
01:55:50,530 --> 01:55:48,280
Abydos is that's where that famous

2553
01:55:52,270 --> 01:55:50,540
hieroglyph of like the land speeder and

2554
01:55:54,340 --> 01:55:52,280
the helicopter and tank that everybody

2555
01:55:56,110 --> 01:55:54,350
talks about and that's up in some up on

2556
01:55:57,610 --> 01:55:56,120
the ceiling some tucked away thing and

2557
01:56:00,970 --> 01:55:57,620
everybody's interested in that thing and

2558
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:00,980
go that's nothing go look at the look at

2559
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:02,090
what's happening on the walls around

2560
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:05,390
here because it's crazy it there's just

2561
01:56:10,090 --> 01:56:08,330
so much interesting symbolism and what

2562
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:10,100
seems to give you is peculiar Egyptian

2563
01:56:14,890 --> 01:56:12,800
rich rules and that place is fascinating

2564
01:56:16,660 --> 01:56:14,900
and and and I think it was really at

2565
01:56:19,209 --> 01:56:16,670
every temple you go to though you

2566
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:19,219
realize that these were not primitive

2567
01:56:26,140 --> 01:56:22,480
people this is a highly intelligent

2568
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:26,150
tuned-in group of a group of people or

2569
01:56:29,950 --> 01:56:27,710
their civilization of people or at least

2570
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:29,960
a priest craft was and imagined in the

2571
01:56:33,250 --> 01:56:31,610
same way today that you know most of us

2572
01:56:34,900 --> 01:56:33,260
don't understand technology and high

2573
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:34,910
level mathematics in physics but we get

2574
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:36,410
to use it I think the same was probably

2575
01:56:40,660 --> 01:56:38,210
true in Egypt that it was the priests

2576
01:56:41,950 --> 01:56:40,670
craft that was really the super

2577
01:56:43,450 --> 01:56:41,960
intelligent group of people that were

2578
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:43,460
the architects and the builders and the

2579
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:46,010
sages and the Philosopher's yeah and

2580
01:56:48,300 --> 01:56:46,719
there's

2581
01:56:51,209 --> 01:56:48,310
we got to take a break right here but

2582
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:51,219
when we talk about the temple of seti

2583
01:57:00,660 --> 01:56:55,530
the first in Abydos it's one thing to

2584
01:57:05,459 --> 01:57:00,670
carve into stone yeah it's another thing

2585
01:57:08,879 --> 01:57:05,469
to do it in relief it's crazy anybody

2586
01:57:10,530 --> 01:57:08,889
anybody go try and carve I take a piece

2587
01:57:14,729 --> 01:57:10,540
of stone and try and card anything into

2588
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:14,739
it it's another thing that's crazy about

2589
01:57:17,399 --> 01:57:16,000
the hieroglyphs too it's not even just

2590
01:57:19,470 --> 01:57:17,409
the relief ones even wants their cards

2591
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:19,480
with it into it they don't ever slant

2592
01:57:22,260 --> 01:57:20,770
like when you write on a piece of paper

2593
01:57:24,030 --> 01:57:22,270
and the line sides go and crooked like

2594
01:57:25,290 --> 01:57:24,040
they're perfect the precision there the

2595
01:57:26,580 --> 01:57:25,300
the whole thing and you can go to

2596
01:57:28,500 --> 01:57:26,590
dendera which is probably one of the

2597
01:57:31,379 --> 01:57:28,510
most boast temples there is as far as

2598
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:31,389
higher let's go it's it's a it's a

2599
01:57:35,250 --> 01:57:33,520
masterpiece it's just it's crazy how

2600
01:57:37,740 --> 01:57:35,260
from floor to ceiling the ceiling

2601
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:37,750
Florida ceiling and when we say floor to

2602
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:39,370
ceiling we're also talking about three

2603
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:43,840
or four stories of walls yeah okay it's

2604
01:57:49,620 --> 01:57:46,239
not eight feet right these columns are

2605
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:49,630
50 feet and they're they're carved from

2606
01:57:57,060 --> 01:57:53,730
top to bottom and and what they're what

2607
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:57,070
all the way to the ceiling and a cross

2608
01:58:01,919 --> 01:57:59,920
it's unbelievable let's take a break

2609
01:58:04,439 --> 01:58:01,929
right here Brad fascinating conversation

2610
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:04,449
this is fade to black night three of our

2611
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:07,360
Egypt week here and fade to black I'm

2612
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:08,560
your host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

2613
01:58:13,740 --> 01:58:10,690
Brad Claussen we're talking about Egypt

2614
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:13,750
as promised more with Brad after we come

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2723
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2724
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Timmy church night three of our Egypt

2725
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:28,730
week here on beta black our guest

2726
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:32,320
tonight artist Brad Paulson is here

2727
02:03:38,350 --> 02:03:34,730
you're gonna continue where we left off

2728
02:03:41,260 --> 02:03:38,360
and actually Brad I want to talk about

2729
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:41,270
you and your artwork and and the

2730
02:03:45,670 --> 02:03:44,090
influences that are there now but this

2731
02:03:49,780 --> 02:03:45,680
is what is interesting I'm holding up

2732
02:03:52,770 --> 02:03:49,790
for the camera here for everybody this

2733
02:03:55,870 --> 02:03:52,780
is a piece of sculpture that I have it's

2734
02:03:58,210 --> 02:03:55,880
Egyptian and it was removed from a tomb

2735
02:04:01,120 --> 02:03:58,220
and here it is it's mounted it's heavy

2736
02:04:02,650 --> 02:04:01,130
good thing weighs I don't know I don't

2737
02:04:05,590 --> 02:04:02,660
know what this weighs but it's got to be

2738
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:05,600
ten pounds right doesn't look very big

2739
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:10,480
but it's it's it's very heavy anyway I

2740
02:04:16,930 --> 02:04:14,239
bought this Brad because it looks cool

2741
02:04:21,370 --> 02:04:16,940
there's a cartouche on it on one side

2742
02:04:24,070 --> 02:04:21,380
but there's a pharaoh or queen seated

2743
02:04:26,380 --> 02:04:24,080
and on the other side there's a pharaoh

2744
02:04:30,550 --> 02:04:26,390
and a queen facing each other and it's

2745
02:04:34,660 --> 02:04:30,560
very very but I have no idea what it is

2746
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:34,670
right I have no idea what it says I've

2747
02:04:39,010 --> 02:04:37,250
never had it translated I've looked at

2748
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:39,020
the cartouche and compared it to others

2749
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:40,610
and I've never been able to figure it

2750
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:42,290
out I'll hold it up to the camera you

2751
02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:44,510
can see the cartouche right there

2752
02:04:49,690 --> 02:04:46,400
alright maybe somebody out there can

2753
02:04:52,630 --> 02:04:49,700
figure it out but I bought it because it

2754
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:52,640
looks amazing and it sits here in the

2755
02:04:59,410 --> 02:04:56,690
bunker most and if we go back to like

2756
02:05:02,700 --> 02:04:59,420
their roaring 20s when Egyptian art went

2757
02:05:05,380 --> 02:05:02,710
across fashion right it was everywhere

2758
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:05,390
but nobody knew what it meant nobody

2759
02:05:13,210 --> 02:05:08,530
cared they did it because it looks cool

2760
02:05:15,250 --> 02:05:13,220
right you dig what I'm saying yeah and

2761
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:15,260
and and nobody knows and I have this

2762
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:18,290
here because it looks cool I have no

2763
02:05:22,450 --> 02:05:19,810
idea this could have something crazy

2764
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:22,460
spelled attached to it I wouldn't even

2765
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:25,730
know some some kind of activation when

2766
02:05:33,400 --> 02:05:30,650
you look at it but but that today like

2767
02:05:36,010 --> 02:05:33,410
with your artwork

2768
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:36,020
and you're incorporating Egyptian

2769
02:05:41,380 --> 02:05:39,290
influences into it are you do you

2770
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:41,390
consider the symbolism or is it because

2771
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:46,010
it just looks cool I think there's some

2772
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:47,930
of some of both you know what I mean I

2773
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:49,760
think that's one of the things that is

2774
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:52,130
so interesting about those the ramp

2775
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:54,290
Sphinx is at Karnak and the thing that

2776
02:05:58,180 --> 02:05:56,000
probably drew me to them and I was there

2777
02:05:59,680 --> 02:05:58,190
is that they're just cool looking if I'm

2778
02:06:01,330 --> 02:05:59,690
from a graphic design point of view

2779
02:06:03,310 --> 02:06:01,340
they're just they're just interesting

2780
02:06:05,229 --> 02:06:03,320
you know - they always and plus when you

2781
02:06:06,610 --> 02:06:05,239
go into Karnak I don't think they're set

2782
02:06:08,050 --> 02:06:06,620
up the way that they would be in the

2783
02:06:09,790 --> 02:06:08,060
avenue of sphinxes but they're all just

2784
02:06:11,530 --> 02:06:09,800
kind of they've got them all side by

2785
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:11,540
side so you get to see you know 30 of

2786
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:14,330
them all in a row and they're just from

2787
02:06:17,260 --> 02:06:15,530
the graphic design point of view it's

2788
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:17,270
just it's cool they're just it's just a

2789
02:06:20,140 --> 02:06:18,410
you know it looks like it should be in

2790
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:20,150
like Voltron or something you know and

2791
02:06:26,010 --> 02:06:21,920
all those ramps Dinkins are gonna get up

2792
02:06:31,390 --> 02:06:28,600
there is some of that too though is that

2793
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:31,400
you know any good artwork you want you

2794
02:06:35,770 --> 02:06:33,650
want it to be like even chance where the

2795
02:06:37,450 --> 02:06:35,780
second round is magically - - he's got a

2796
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:37,460
lot of information that he wants to

2797
02:06:40,780 --> 02:06:38,960
convey and put out there but he also

2798
02:06:42,670 --> 02:06:40,790
wants it to look cool I can affirm her

2799
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:42,680
from from an artist standpoint you also

2800
02:06:47,590 --> 02:06:44,930
want it to be pleasing and to be you

2801
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:47,600
know so that that's so that that's

2802
02:06:50,740 --> 02:06:48,890
really what you're doing you're drawing

2803
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:50,750
people into through look at how

2804
02:06:53,590 --> 02:06:52,010
interesting this is and not only that

2805
02:06:54,910 --> 02:06:53,600
look at how for some reason if the

2806
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:54,920
proportions are done right

2807
02:06:59,740 --> 02:06:57,650
you're gonna be drawn to it naturally

2808
02:07:00,940 --> 02:06:59,750
anyway I mean the whole idea that beauty

2809
02:07:03,850 --> 02:07:00,950
is in the eye of the beholder is

2810
02:07:06,190 --> 02:07:03,860
somewhat true but we all recognize

2811
02:07:08,410 --> 02:07:06,200
beauty we all recognize you know cemetry

2812
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:08,420
as being as being beautiful and there's

2813
02:07:11,470 --> 02:07:09,920
things sure where you can say there's a

2814
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:11,480
symmetry and other these things can be

2815
02:07:16,510 --> 02:07:14,030
beautiful but there's a reason why you

2816
02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:16,520
know Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are

2817
02:07:20,110 --> 02:07:18,350
considered beautiful people they may not

2818
02:07:23,170 --> 02:07:20,120
be your cup of tea but the proportions

2819
02:07:25,930 --> 02:07:23,180
of their face are pretty closer than you

2820
02:07:29,950 --> 02:07:25,940
know sacred geometry and balance and

2821
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,960
symmetry and we all respond to beauty

2822
02:07:32,860 --> 02:07:31,520
it's a really interesting thing about

2823
02:07:34,900 --> 02:07:32,870
being a human being but how that we

2824
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:34,910
respond to these proportions and respond

2825
02:07:38,140 --> 02:07:36,530
to that the golden ratio and those

2826
02:07:41,740 --> 02:07:38,150
things for some reason and our brain is

2827
02:07:44,260 --> 02:07:41,750
dialed into that and it looks appealing

2828
02:07:46,050 --> 02:07:44,270
more so like anybody can you can look at

2829
02:07:48,910 --> 02:07:46,060
something that's disco

2830
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:48,920
and displeasing and then you can look at

2831
02:07:52,150 --> 02:07:50,210
something that's very neat and very

2832
02:07:54,340 --> 02:07:52,160
clean and very symmetrical and you even

2833
02:07:57,700 --> 02:07:54,350
if it's not your style per se you can

2834
02:08:00,040 --> 02:07:57,710
see that there's there's something about

2835
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:00,050
it that you're drawn to it so that the

2836
02:08:06,370 --> 02:08:04,130
ability to incorporate you know the

2837
02:08:08,350 --> 02:08:06,380
golden ratio and Sid Bonacci sequences

2838
02:08:12,010 --> 02:08:08,360
and these mathematical principles that

2839
02:08:14,590 --> 02:08:12,020
seem to underlie so much of our physical

2840
02:08:17,050 --> 02:08:14,600
world and and and at the same time then

2841
02:08:19,979 --> 02:08:17,060
to incorporate imagery and to

2842
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:19,989
incorporate messages and information

2843
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:23,360
it's sort of a definition of a in my

2844
02:08:27,130 --> 02:08:25,130
opinion about like a masterpiece work of

2845
02:08:28,270 --> 02:08:27,140
art it's not just you know cool painting

2846
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:28,280
in your hotel room that you're like oh

2847
02:08:31,570 --> 02:08:29,690
that's I like the color fields and that

2848
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:31,580
makes this wall look interesting it's

2849
02:08:36,010 --> 02:08:33,770
it's beautiful to look at but the same

2850
02:08:38,590 --> 02:08:36,020
time it's working on multiple levels and

2851
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:38,600
I think that's what any good artwork

2852
02:08:45,010 --> 02:08:40,610
should do is it should it should speak

2853
02:08:50,500 --> 02:08:45,020
on a variety of different dimensions do

2854
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:50,510
you have a favorite a favorite symbol if

2855
02:08:55,870 --> 02:08:54,170
you will of Egyptian artwork that you

2856
02:09:00,010 --> 02:08:55,880
like to incorporate whether it's a

2857
02:09:03,580 --> 02:09:00,020
pyramid or or Sphinx or the you know the

2858
02:09:05,740 --> 02:09:03,590
Eye of Horus or or what have you do you

2859
02:09:09,790 --> 02:09:05,750
or the you know the Scarab for instance

2860
02:09:11,890 --> 02:09:09,800
I do I use the symbol that I go to all

2861
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:11,900
the time and it's almost by this time I

2862
02:09:16,780 --> 02:09:14,000
realize like I'm subconsciously now I

2863
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:16,790
just I I it's not just the eye of horus

2864
02:09:23,860 --> 02:09:20,480
but just the idea of the eye as a visual

2865
02:09:26,260 --> 02:09:23,870
artist but that's you know it's sort of

2866
02:09:29,290 --> 02:09:26,270
my my thing right it's having to see and

2867
02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:29,300
use my imagination and so I I I go to

2868
02:09:34,450 --> 02:09:32,150
that symbol all the time and I'll say

2869
02:09:35,950 --> 02:09:34,460
this is the interesting thing that we

2870
02:09:37,540 --> 02:09:35,960
talk about these symbols and pop culture

2871
02:09:38,740 --> 02:09:37,550
and stuff like that and there's all this

2872
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:38,750
talk in this sort of conspiracy

2873
02:09:42,729 --> 02:09:41,090
community that in music and in

2874
02:09:44,020 --> 02:09:42,739
entertainment there's all these esoteric

2875
02:09:45,940 --> 02:09:44,030
symbols and these are called cymbals

2876
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:45,950
that the people are using and they're

2877
02:09:51,900 --> 02:09:47,570
using them in a nefarious sort of way to

2878
02:09:54,190 --> 02:09:51,910
show you you know evil or darkness and I

2879
02:09:55,570 --> 02:09:54,200
have and all the artwork that I've done

2880
02:09:57,340 --> 02:09:55,580
where I've incorporated the symbol of

2881
02:09:59,670 --> 02:09:57,350
our any sort of esoteric or cold

2882
02:10:01,920 --> 02:09:59,680
symbolism no one has ever asked me to do

2883
02:10:03,810 --> 02:10:01,930
that no band has ever asked me to do

2884
02:10:05,970 --> 02:10:03,820
that no management company or record

2885
02:10:08,070 --> 02:10:05,980
label no one has ever once said hey can

2886
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:08,080
you throw in this Freemasonry symbol I

2887
02:10:13,980 --> 02:10:09,610
can you throw in this that has all been

2888
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:13,990
my own decision to do that and no one

2889
02:10:17,340 --> 02:10:15,490
just said stop doing it either no one's

2890
02:10:19,140 --> 02:10:17,350
ever said by a man to stop putting those

2891
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:19,150
you know Illuminati all-seeing eyes in

2892
02:10:26,730 --> 02:10:23,440
our question have you ever had any

2893
02:10:28,860 --> 02:10:26,740
blowback have you had you know you know

2894
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:28,870
Pearl Jam or a band come to you going

2895
02:10:34,860 --> 02:10:30,400
you know what member being accused of

2896
02:10:36,780 --> 02:10:34,870
being you know right no I keep expecting

2897
02:10:38,670 --> 02:10:36,790
someone to be like hey we didn't ask for

2898
02:10:40,170 --> 02:10:38,680
that why you know you're doing this

2899
02:10:41,820 --> 02:10:40,180
stuff and that the thing that's I say

2900
02:10:43,260 --> 02:10:41,830
and someone who pays attention to

2901
02:10:44,850 --> 02:10:43,270
symbols and stuff but I see all the same

2902
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:44,860
stuff that everybody else sees I see the

2903
02:10:49,590 --> 02:10:46,960
you know Katy Perry video and you know

2904
02:10:52,110 --> 02:10:49,600
Egyptian symbology I see jay-z Bowl

2905
02:10:55,890 --> 02:10:52,120
halftime shows I see jay-z I see all of

2906
02:10:58,590 --> 02:10:55,900
that stuff I can't speak to that part of

2907
02:10:59,940 --> 02:10:58,600
the music industry because for one when

2908
02:11:01,260 --> 02:10:59,950
when I started working for Pearl Jam

2909
02:11:03,090 --> 02:11:01,270
they were when they were working they

2910
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:03,100
were on Sony they're on ethic and they

2911
02:11:06,030 --> 02:11:04,690
got just tremendous freedom from a

2912
02:11:07,890 --> 02:11:06,040
record label to create all their own

2913
02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:07,900
artwork so when I started working there

2914
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:09,040
we could do whatever you know we need

2915
02:11:12,090 --> 02:11:10,570
whoever we wanted to there was no record

2916
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:12,100
label saying nope you got to do this and

2917
02:11:19,590 --> 02:11:16,570
got to do that so I can't speak to the

2918
02:11:21,090 --> 02:11:19,600
other side of the music industry or the

2919
02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:21,100
sort of executive side of it were those

2920
02:11:24,240 --> 02:11:22,930
record labels and then these people that

2921
02:11:28,050 --> 02:11:24,250
maybe are having that finger and things

2922
02:11:29,010 --> 02:11:28,060
more than they should because everything

2923
02:11:30,150 --> 02:11:29,020
that I've been involved and that's never

2924
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:30,160
been a part of it so whenever I

2925
02:11:34,650 --> 02:11:32,320
incorporate symbology it's me doing that

2926
02:11:36,300 --> 02:11:34,660
there's times I wonder like I shouldn't

2927
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:36,310
be associating the band with this symbol

2928
02:11:40,770 --> 02:11:37,810
because they maybe don't want it you

2929
02:11:43,500 --> 02:11:40,780
know but it's my effort to try and

2930
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:43,510
reclaim these some of these symbols away

2931
02:11:48,830 --> 02:11:45,970
from this sort of boogie man symbology

2932
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:48,840
and away from this darkness and and and

2933
02:11:54,300 --> 02:11:53,170
reclaim the truth that they contain you

2934
02:11:58,230 --> 02:11:54,310
know and I always think that the best

2935
02:12:00,000 --> 02:11:58,240
way to keep people away from truth is to

2936
02:12:01,260 --> 02:12:00,010
put them on wild-goose chases and so you

2937
02:12:02,730 --> 02:12:01,270
know put boogie men out there and to

2938
02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:02,740
make you thinks but the thing that is

2939
02:12:06,990 --> 02:12:05,080
good for you is dangerous and you should

2940
02:12:08,970 --> 02:12:07,000
stay away from it so in the same way

2941
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:08,980
that the swastika got kind of hijacked

2942
02:12:13,140 --> 02:12:11,920
by a group of people in a small blink of

2943
02:12:13,530 --> 02:12:13,150
time in the swastika I think the

2944
02:12:14,820 --> 02:12:13,540
earliest

2945
02:12:16,290 --> 02:12:14,830
they found was like twelve thousand

2946
02:12:18,450 --> 02:12:16,300
years ten thousand years but that

2947
02:12:20,220 --> 02:12:18,460
symbols been around for forever but that

2948
02:12:22,380 --> 02:12:20,230
symbol is not forever embedded in the

2949
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:22,390
psyche of humanity as being a symbol of

2950
02:12:25,230 --> 02:12:23,770
hatred and intolerance and there's

2951
02:12:27,090 --> 02:12:25,240
trosset e and we're never that simple

2952
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:27,100
never going to come back and I see the

2953
02:12:31,470 --> 02:12:28,450
same thing happening with the symbol of

2954
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:31,480
Baha'i that it's being tarnished and

2955
02:12:35,340 --> 02:12:33,370
destroyed by this small group of

2956
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:35,350
nefarious kind of people or at least

2957
02:12:38,850 --> 02:12:37,090
people that are ignorant about what

2958
02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:38,860
these symbols mean and that they contain

2959
02:12:43,230 --> 02:12:40,510
a great deal of truth and we shouldn't

2960
02:12:44,670 --> 02:12:43,240
just be willingly giving them over to

2961
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:44,680
people and saying that's very simple and

2962
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:46,690
it belongs to them or even the owl owl

2963
02:12:49,710 --> 02:12:48,010
is one of the symbols that makes me the

2964
02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:49,720
most upset cause I love owls and I've

2965
02:12:53,340 --> 02:12:51,280
had a very interesting experience with

2966
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:53,350
owls and whatever people see an owl i

2967
02:12:57,180 --> 02:12:54,850
god that's the human Grove and that's

2968
02:12:59,550 --> 02:12:57,190
the Illuminati and I'll existed before

2969
02:13:01,230 --> 02:12:59,560
any of those things existed you know in

2970
02:13:03,300 --> 02:13:01,240
native culture that's been a symbol in

2971
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:03,310
it you can't just give it over to these

2972
02:13:07,200 --> 02:13:05,410
people yeah the Chicago Bulls don't own

2973
02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:07,210
the bull we have a symbol of the ball

2974
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:10,000
and so my effort has always been to

2975
02:13:14,750 --> 02:13:11,650
incorporate these symbols and to kind of

2976
02:13:17,310 --> 02:13:14,760
reclaim them back to their true sort of

2977
02:13:19,500 --> 02:13:17,320
meaning but they contain knowledge and

2978
02:13:20,940 --> 02:13:19,510
it has nothing to do with creating a

2979
02:13:23,370 --> 02:13:20,950
one-world government to make everybody

2980
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:23,380
have one world currency and all these

2981
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:23,920
slaves

2982
02:13:28,230 --> 02:13:26,770
there's there's real truths and real

2983
02:13:31,050 --> 02:13:28,240
information in these symbols and

2984
02:13:33,060 --> 02:13:31,060
obviously power structures don't want us

2985
02:13:34,410 --> 02:13:33,070
to have access to that so they flip the

2986
02:13:35,670 --> 02:13:34,420
script and they say yeah don't look at

2987
02:13:39,090 --> 02:13:35,680
that that's you know that's evil and

2988
02:13:41,010 --> 02:13:39,100
that's darkness stay away from it and so

2989
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:41,020
for me it's more about giving these

2990
02:13:44,430 --> 02:13:42,880
symbols back to their rightful place I'm

2991
02:13:46,050 --> 02:13:44,440
not just saying okay these people can

2992
02:13:47,790 --> 02:13:46,060
have it they dragged it through the mud

2993
02:13:49,530 --> 02:13:47,800
so now it's theirs and you don't get

2994
02:13:51,780 --> 02:13:49,540
these symbols like they belong to all of

2995
02:13:54,450 --> 02:13:51,790
us and I'm not going to last one group

2996
02:13:57,170 --> 02:13:54,460
for one supposed group of people

2997
02:13:59,760 --> 02:13:57,180
whatever they whether they exist or not

2998
02:14:01,620 --> 02:13:59,770
in the in the in the psyche of humanity

2999
02:14:03,780 --> 02:14:01,630
I'm not gonna I don't want them to take

3000
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:03,790
it anymore like these symbols belong to

3001
02:14:08,940 --> 02:14:05,890
all of us you know there's almost a

3002
02:14:11,310 --> 02:14:08,950
birthright in a sense well we we can't

3003
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:11,320
help and certainly if we understand

3004
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:15,490
symbolism in in most forms we see it

3005
02:14:21,180 --> 02:14:17,890
everywhere Rita and I went down to San

3006
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:21,190
Diego a couple of weeks ago and we are

3007
02:14:26,790 --> 02:14:23,110
we're staying on this golf course and

3008
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:26,800
one of the houses that was there

3009
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:30,210
we look and on the back of the house are

3010
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:34,210
two giant owl statues on this balcony

3011
02:14:40,770 --> 02:14:37,450
probably three feet tall right gorgeous

3012
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:40,780
now I'm going straight there okay

3013
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:44,850
obviously whoever owns that house

3014
02:14:49,200 --> 02:14:46,930
understands what's going on they've got

3015
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:49,210
these two giant owl statues on the back

3016
02:14:55,290 --> 02:14:52,810
of the house facing the backyard Wow was

3017
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:55,300
staring at if they have a party you know

3018
02:15:01,650 --> 02:14:56,560
I'm thinking all kinds of crazy stuff

3019
02:15:04,890 --> 02:15:01,660
right and and then the owner says to us

3020
02:15:08,340 --> 02:15:04,900
no the owls are there because the owner

3021
02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:08,350
doesn't like birds in his backyard so he

3022
02:15:13,140 --> 02:15:10,450
put the house tattoos there to scare

3023
02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:13,150
away the birds that's just telling you

3024
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:15,280
he's really making sacrifices to mohawks

3025
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:17,050
well you're not right right right right

3026
02:15:22,410 --> 02:15:19,450
right right I'm just like ah come on

3027
02:15:24,090 --> 02:15:22,420
all right but I have I have I have a I

3028
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:24,100
have a little garden statue of an Allen

3029
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:25,840
sitting it's in the amount of agency

3030
02:15:31,290 --> 02:15:28,090
there's a that they use it as bureau we

3031
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:31,300
show it and I call it Sophia that al to

3032
02:15:34,590 --> 02:15:32,890
me is a symbol for wisdom the whole idea

3033
02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:34,600
of owls being able to see in the dark

3034
02:15:37,560 --> 02:15:36,370
you know it's this idea that they're

3035
02:15:39,780 --> 02:15:37,570
able to see things that other people

3036
02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:39,790
can't in some cultures they I was yeah

3037
02:15:43,260 --> 02:15:41,890
Sinai's at home and of death and people

3038
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:43,270
would think that if an owl show that

3039
02:15:46,290 --> 02:15:44,410
that meant that somebody was going to

3040
02:15:48,510 --> 02:15:46,300
die and it so it depends on where you

3041
02:15:51,780 --> 02:15:48,520
know where you find the mean it's given

3042
02:15:53,340 --> 02:15:51,790
to it but to me there's two the whole

3043
02:15:54,810 --> 02:15:53,350
idea of the wise old owl that's what

3044
02:15:56,220 --> 02:15:54,820
that's yeah and the fighting is if I

3045
02:15:57,630 --> 02:15:56,230
have two of them I have a white house

3046
02:15:58,830 --> 02:15:57,640
that you want to have a black out of

3047
02:16:00,480 --> 02:15:58,840
stash and the white ones outside and the

3048
02:16:02,100 --> 02:16:00,490
black ones sitting on my desk and I knew

3049
02:16:03,900 --> 02:16:02,110
when filming the magic with Egypt stuff

3050
02:16:06,270 --> 02:16:03,910
I had to take that black out off my desk

3051
02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:06,280
otherwise the same everyone's gonna look

3052
02:16:13,230 --> 02:16:10,210
you know now he's one of them you know

3053
02:16:14,910 --> 02:16:13,240
and it I get so upset because that's

3054
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:14,920
such reverence for how old I was and I

3055
02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:16,480
always want to stick up for my owl

3056
02:16:22,260 --> 02:16:18,580
friends and be like they don't own that

3057
02:16:24,090 --> 02:16:22,270
simple hey you know all of you I and the

3058
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:24,100
whole idea of Big Brother the whole idea

3059
02:16:27,570 --> 02:16:26,050
it's a perfect symbol for an eye on top

3060
02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:27,580
of a pyramid because we live in a world

3061
02:16:31,230 --> 02:16:29,410
where the 1% has all the money and it is

3062
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:31,240
a pyramid scheme and because the NSA

3063
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:32,770
they're all looking into everything that

3064
02:16:36,690 --> 02:16:35,050
we do it's a fitting symbol but that

3065
02:16:38,459 --> 02:16:36,700
idea of Big Brother only came out in

3066
02:16:39,990 --> 02:16:38,469
nineteen to the book of 1984 what like

3067
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,000
the fifties what did 1984

3068
02:16:45,690 --> 02:16:42,639
come out and but that's a very new you

3069
02:16:47,370 --> 02:16:45,700
know kind of idea to that symbol that's

3070
02:16:49,379 --> 02:16:47,380
been existing for forever that's been a

3071
02:16:51,299 --> 02:16:49,389
symbol for the I of economy I have

3072
02:16:52,980 --> 02:16:51,309
Providence and you know just flip it and

3073
02:16:55,350 --> 02:16:52,990
turn around say now it's the I of you

3074
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:55,360
know the NSA and Big Brother look well

3075
02:17:00,839 --> 02:16:56,800
do you can track of all of our text

3076
02:17:03,299 --> 02:17:00,849
messages but does it change the meaning

3077
02:17:08,100 --> 02:17:03,309
of the symbol or its influence or its

3078
02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:08,110
effect on the individual if if if it's

3079
02:17:11,700 --> 02:17:10,450
explained that way I don't think it does

3080
02:17:14,750 --> 02:17:11,710
alright let me give you another example

3081
02:17:17,250 --> 02:17:14,760
I mean once it's there the meaning is

3082
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:17,260
individual right and it's an emotional

3083
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:21,250
connection sure yeah and I think to me

3084
02:17:24,839 --> 02:17:22,960
that's sort of the that's sort of the

3085
02:17:27,500 --> 02:17:24,849
the problem that I see happening is I

3086
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:27,510
see these these symbols being turned

3087
02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:30,969
away from what there's really real

3088
02:17:34,110 --> 02:17:32,410
meaning in them and to me that's their

3089
02:17:35,820 --> 02:17:34,120
if you could get to put on my tinfoil

3090
02:17:37,709 --> 02:17:35,830
hat but that's really the way that power

3091
02:17:40,890 --> 02:17:37,719
stays and powers that right knowledge

3092
02:17:42,839 --> 02:17:40,900
knowledge is power and you can't destroy

3093
02:17:44,910 --> 02:17:42,849
a universal truth universal truth is

3094
02:17:46,709 --> 02:17:44,920
just for forever but you can muddy the

3095
02:17:48,540 --> 02:17:46,719
waters for how you get to universal

3096
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:48,550
truths or how you get to these answers

3097
02:17:52,919 --> 02:17:51,519
and if along the pathway you know did

3098
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:52,929
you ever see did you see black panther

3099
02:17:58,799 --> 02:17:56,800
yes the scene where what's it in kill

3100
02:18:00,690 --> 02:17:58,809
monger takes like the sacred plan he has

3101
02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:00,700
the vision and then he says Burnham oh

3102
02:18:06,390 --> 02:18:04,510
yeah that I see a lot of that in the

3103
02:18:07,950 --> 02:18:06,400
same idea of Osiris being dismembered in

3104
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,960
his parts being scattered I see the same

3105
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:09,760
idea that you see the pathway to

3106
02:18:13,350 --> 02:18:11,410
knowledge and you in order for you to

3107
02:18:15,660 --> 02:18:13,360
retain power you say we need to need to

3108
02:18:17,730 --> 02:18:15,670
destroy all this so nobody can follow up

3109
02:18:19,860 --> 02:18:17,740
the same way that I came impact me that

3110
02:18:21,209 --> 02:18:19,870
I came and so let's let's muddy the

3111
02:18:23,150 --> 02:18:21,219
waters to make a bunch of log these

3112
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:23,160
chases and tell you that you know

3113
02:18:26,669 --> 02:18:25,120
everything that's good and healthy for

3114
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,679
you is going to destroy you and ruin you

3115
02:18:30,930 --> 02:18:28,800
should stay away from that I I think

3116
02:18:32,700 --> 02:18:30,940
people are smart and figured out that

3117
02:18:34,290 --> 02:18:32,710
when they when they got to you know

3118
02:18:36,750 --> 02:18:34,300
maybe it's some person who wasn't

3119
02:18:38,310 --> 02:18:36,760
allowed into Plato's school or you know

3120
02:18:40,110 --> 02:18:38,320
wasn't somebody allowed into the mystery

3121
02:18:43,230 --> 02:18:40,120
school who had some sort of vendetta and

3122
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,240
and and you know and said I'm gonna

3123
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:45,280
rearrange these symbols and I'm gonna

3124
02:18:49,400 --> 02:18:47,530
make it so that nobody can unseat my you

3125
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:49,410
know unseat me from power because

3126
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:51,519
anybody can look at this and figure out

3127
02:18:53,669 --> 02:18:52,809
the same things that we did right

3128
02:18:56,729 --> 02:18:53,679
anybody

3129
02:18:58,439 --> 02:18:56,739
these psychedelic plants and have the

3130
02:19:01,169 --> 02:18:58,449
same vision so let's make sure that no

3131
02:19:04,410 --> 02:19:01,179
one does that you know well I think it's

3132
02:19:07,259 --> 02:19:04,420
a real easy psychological tool to make

3133
02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:07,269
something truthful seem scary and to

3134
02:19:10,139 --> 02:19:08,649
tell you to not touch it and stay away

3135
02:19:14,129 --> 02:19:10,149
from it well exactly

3136
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:14,139
and three maybe four years ago I do a

3137
02:19:23,549 --> 02:19:18,250
show on owls okay I do a show and I'll

3138
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:23,559
have the guest and the next day Brad I'm

3139
02:19:28,799 --> 02:19:26,080
not making up a word of what I'm about

3140
02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:28,809
to say to you so I do this show on owls

3141
02:19:36,410 --> 02:19:33,969
UFOs supernatural connection parallel

3142
02:19:41,070 --> 02:19:36,420
world you know it's all there right so

3143
02:19:45,719 --> 02:19:41,080
the next day Rita is walking through a

3144
02:19:48,719 --> 02:19:45,729
parking lot the next day and down on the

3145
02:19:50,340 --> 02:19:48,729
ground she finds in the middle of this

3146
02:19:52,229 --> 02:19:50,350
empty parking lot she could have walked

3147
02:19:55,639 --> 02:19:52,239
five feet to the right five feet to the

3148
02:20:00,320 --> 02:19:55,649
left right giant parking lot she finds

3149
02:20:07,860 --> 02:20:00,330
walks and step up but comes upon a giant

3150
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:07,870
solid gold antique owl ring with with

3151
02:20:13,769 --> 02:20:11,770
ruby eyes she picks it up and it's solid

3152
02:20:17,370 --> 02:20:13,779
gold right and she's been it's an owl

3153
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:17,380
she comes home and goes check this out

3154
02:20:24,929 --> 02:20:21,250
now and I'm talking about this as solid

3155
02:20:31,650 --> 02:20:24,939
it's got weight to it this is a gnarly

3156
02:20:33,929 --> 02:20:31,660
heavy amazing custom-made owl ring now

3157
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:33,939
she listened to the show the night

3158
02:20:40,290 --> 02:20:36,399
before we've been talking about owls for

3159
02:20:42,900 --> 02:20:40,300
24 hours and then she walks through a

3160
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:42,910
parking lot and finds an owl ring now we

3161
02:20:51,570 --> 02:20:47,290
haven't found an another one an owl

3162
02:20:56,580 --> 02:20:51,580
encounter but now owls suddenly have a

3163
02:21:00,990 --> 02:20:56,590
meaning to us and we are going to

3164
02:21:02,939 --> 02:21:01,000
respect the owl and the mythology behind

3165
02:21:05,189 --> 02:21:02,949
it and we're gonna start listening to

3166
02:21:06,460 --> 02:21:05,199
when other people speak about owls now

3167
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:06,470
what happened

3168
02:21:10,849 --> 02:21:08,850
everybody's talking about owls we here

3169
02:21:15,219 --> 02:21:10,859
owls and conversations we see it on TV

3170
02:21:19,309 --> 02:21:15,229
we see him fly he understand a new car

3171
02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:19,319
everywhere that's it that you have to

3172
02:21:23,569 --> 02:21:21,090
tell you that I have a similar story I

3173
02:21:26,090 --> 02:21:23,579
did a poster for a 2009 Oh James Evans

3174
02:21:28,580 --> 02:21:26,100
lot so at the time I was living in

3175
02:21:29,660 --> 02:21:28,590
Wallingford in Seattle there's a park

3176
02:21:31,639 --> 02:21:29,670
right next to the settlers called the

3177
02:21:33,500 --> 02:21:31,649
Woodland Park Zoo in parks in Seattle

3178
02:21:36,500 --> 02:21:33,510
our forests and trails exhausting like a

3179
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:36,510
blacktop in a swing set and after I had

3180
02:21:39,889 --> 02:21:38,250
done this poster this owl the next day I

3181
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:39,899
went over taking my dog for a walk and

3182
02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:42,090
an owl came down and I was like I just

3183
02:21:46,130 --> 02:21:44,489
drew you I just I just true that and so

3184
02:21:48,349 --> 02:21:46,140
then I kept going to that part that week

3185
02:21:51,319 --> 02:21:48,359
right around dusk to go look for more at

3186
02:21:52,700 --> 02:21:51,329
holes and I came across a couple who

3187
02:21:54,109 --> 02:21:52,710
were walking by petting our dogs and

3188
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:54,119
said hey if you guys see any owls you

3189
02:21:56,719 --> 02:21:55,290
should keep your eyes on because I saw

3190
02:21:58,069 --> 02:21:56,729
one and as I'm saying that it flies

3191
02:22:00,260 --> 02:21:58,079
right in front of it and I know it's

3192
02:22:01,490 --> 02:22:00,270
right there and the couple present of

3193
02:22:04,609 --> 02:22:01,500
dollars were like that was crazy it was

3194
02:22:06,229 --> 02:22:04,619
like he called that out here and I saw I

3195
02:22:08,120 --> 02:22:06,239
was in that park after that week for

3196
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:08,130
like a week and ever since then I see

3197
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:09,840
them all the time fighting as we moved

3198
02:22:13,340 --> 02:22:12,000
out to the woods out here I thought I'd

3199
02:22:15,050 --> 02:22:13,350
be seeing him constantly it for like

3200
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:15,060
eight years I hear him but I'd never see

3201
02:22:19,460 --> 02:22:17,130
him right final answer I'm starting to

3202
02:22:21,380 --> 02:22:19,470
see him more again but same sort of

3203
02:22:24,410 --> 02:22:21,390
thing like the I talked to some woman

3204
02:22:26,599 --> 02:22:24,420
who's interested mainly a calls

3205
02:22:27,950 --> 02:22:26,609
bookstore in LA the woman who works the

3206
02:22:30,109 --> 02:22:27,960
book so I told her this story and she

3207
02:22:32,210 --> 02:22:30,119
said I said it's like I drew the owl

3208
02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:32,220
into into my life she talked about the

3209
02:22:36,109 --> 02:22:34,050
interesting wordplay of drawing like a

3210
02:22:40,609 --> 02:22:36,119
you know a damn draws energy that you

3211
02:22:42,170 --> 02:22:40,619
know it's it's strange I every time I

3212
02:22:43,550 --> 02:22:42,180
see an owl it makes me think okay

3213
02:22:45,050 --> 02:22:43,560
whatever I'm thinking about right at

3214
02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:45,060
this moment I need to pay attention to

3215
02:22:49,550 --> 02:22:46,319
it's almost I almost feel like when I

3216
02:22:51,290 --> 02:22:49,560
see owls it's sort of the it is the

3217
02:22:52,340 --> 02:22:51,300
natural world telling me pay attention

3218
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,350
to what you're thinking about right now

3219
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:54,720
so I always and I've had just a bunch of

3220
02:22:58,040 --> 02:22:56,250
really cool encounters with them but I

3221
02:22:59,870 --> 02:22:58,050
go looking for him at dusk so it's not

3222
02:23:03,170 --> 02:22:59,880
surprising gun you and Karen when you're

3223
02:23:07,130 --> 02:23:03,180
there you created out right you create a

3224
02:23:09,170 --> 02:23:07,140
decidual and and did matter now has that

3225
02:23:14,569 --> 02:23:09,180
happened again now that you know that

3226
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:14,579
this is a possibility have you done

3227
02:23:19,610 --> 02:23:18,479
another Brad Claussen sigil right it's

3228
02:23:22,580 --> 02:23:19,620
my life

3229
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:22,590
not right not necessarily intentionally

3230
02:23:26,719 --> 02:23:24,210
but I do think that through

3231
02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:26,729
incorporating these esoteric symbols

3232
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:28,050
that deal with like higher states of

3233
02:23:33,020 --> 02:23:30,210
consciousness and and and in other

3234
02:23:34,969 --> 02:23:33,030
alters higher states of knowing I do

3235
02:23:36,980 --> 02:23:34,979
feel like through sitting down and

3236
02:23:38,719 --> 02:23:36,990
spending all his time on the

3237
02:23:41,480 --> 02:23:38,729
illustrations about that subject and

3238
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:41,490
looking at the images that it is

3239
02:23:45,050 --> 02:23:43,680
affecting me and prior to that I was but

3240
02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:45,060
there was a point before I got into a

3241
02:23:47,810 --> 02:23:46,410
lot of this esoteric stuff and I would

3242
02:23:49,820 --> 02:23:47,820
do hard work that was very heavily

3243
02:23:51,950 --> 02:23:49,830
political and kind of dark and you know

3244
02:23:54,170 --> 02:23:51,960
talking more about the conspiratorial

3245
02:23:56,090 --> 02:23:54,180
side of like the u.s. politics and the

3246
02:23:58,310 --> 02:23:56,100
Council on Foreign Relations and the you

3247
02:24:00,920 --> 02:23:58,320
know the Federal Reserve and and there

3248
02:24:02,090 --> 02:24:00,930
was a moment where my girlfriend was

3249
02:24:03,740 --> 02:24:02,100
like it's weird that you're doing this

3250
02:24:05,150 --> 02:24:03,750
kind of dark political artwork at the

3251
02:24:08,330 --> 02:24:05,160
same time you're interested in this kind

3252
02:24:12,530 --> 02:24:08,340
of higher spiritual consciousness stuff

3253
02:24:14,179 --> 02:24:12,540
and I sure went away from that darker

3254
02:24:15,650 --> 02:24:14,189
stuff cuz I do feel like you it maybe

3255
02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:15,660
it's not so much a sigil but you are

3256
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:17,010
spending time what you're spending time

3257
02:24:21,410 --> 02:24:19,290
focusing on might start bringing those

3258
02:24:23,360 --> 02:24:21,420
things to you and so I feel like you're

3259
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,370
focusing more on esoteric symbolism and

3260
02:24:29,450 --> 02:24:25,680
making images about it it is affecting

3261
02:24:31,820 --> 02:24:29,460
my my psychology and my inner you know

3262
02:24:32,900 --> 02:24:31,830
Fox because I'm just staring at it a lot

3263
02:24:35,599 --> 02:24:32,910
more trying to go more towards

3264
02:24:37,070 --> 02:24:35,609
positivity than more towards just being

3265
02:24:40,490 --> 02:24:37,080
upset and angry and wanted to storm the

3266
02:24:42,830 --> 02:24:40,500
gates and what do you do when the

3267
02:24:45,500 --> 02:24:42,840
synchronicity start to happen do you

3268
02:24:48,020 --> 02:24:45,510
think it's because you have forced it or

3269
02:24:50,750 --> 02:24:48,030
it's the universe reacting to what you

3270
02:24:52,310 --> 02:24:50,760
have done I don't I don't know but the

3271
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:52,320
times when it's happened I'm just I'm

3272
02:24:56,330 --> 02:24:54,960
just grateful because it's awesome it's

3273
02:24:58,040 --> 02:24:56,340
like there's times where these little

3274
02:25:00,410 --> 02:24:58,050
synchronicities happen and more times

3275
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:00,420
when I can I can recount and every

3276
02:25:05,690 --> 02:25:04,290
single time it happens it's it just sort

3277
02:25:07,730 --> 02:25:05,700
of warms the soul moment where you think

3278
02:25:10,670 --> 02:25:07,740
that that was fun real like you know did

3279
02:25:12,740 --> 02:25:10,680
that that the to draw if it's been a

3280
02:25:14,210 --> 02:25:12,750
sign draw a piece evolving an owl and

3281
02:25:17,450 --> 02:25:14,220
then they start showing out like that

3282
02:25:19,070 --> 02:25:17,460
was that I can't explain that I don't

3283
02:25:22,400 --> 02:25:19,080
really know what that is or how that

3284
02:25:24,020 --> 02:25:22,410
works but I'm just grateful and it's

3285
02:25:27,860 --> 02:25:24,030
just in sort of our and then have

3286
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:27,870
reverence for this these things that you

3287
02:25:31,219 --> 02:25:29,130
don't seem to make sense but they're

3288
02:25:32,421 --> 02:25:31,229
happening you know yeah and you have to

3289
02:25:34,970 --> 02:25:32,431
sit back and actually

3290
02:25:36,531 --> 02:25:34,980
just enjoy the moment you know and don't

3291
02:25:38,331 --> 02:25:36,541
freak out just enjoy it and I think

3292
02:25:40,730 --> 02:25:38,341
that's what you're suggesting here I

3293
02:25:43,071 --> 02:25:40,740
wanted yeah that's always be insightful

3294
02:25:43,791 --> 02:25:43,081
is I'm always like thank you that was

3295
02:25:47,901 --> 02:25:43,801
amazing

3296
02:25:51,020 --> 02:25:47,911
that's so cool yeah can I keep you for a

3297
02:25:53,121 --> 02:25:51,030
little overtime after this break sure

3298
02:25:56,631 --> 02:25:53,131
okay I'm having too much of a good time

3299
02:25:59,211 --> 02:25:56,641
and I also this is what I want to do

3300
02:26:01,461 --> 02:25:59,221
after the break and I'm gonna ask you

3301
02:26:04,581 --> 02:26:01,471
one more question before the break I'm

3302
02:26:08,571 --> 02:26:04,591
gonna go back and we're gonna do a

3303
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:08,581
rapid-fire question in response to

3304
02:26:12,291 --> 02:26:10,650
different pieces of your artwork I'm

3305
02:26:14,390 --> 02:26:12,301
gonna I'm gonna bring something up and

3306
02:26:17,091 --> 02:26:14,400
I'm just I want your reaction to each

3307
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:17,101
one and and we'll do that for the

3308
02:26:20,361 --> 02:26:17,730
audience

3309
02:26:22,791 --> 02:26:20,371
and and I think it'll be a lot of fun

3310
02:26:24,741 --> 02:26:22,801
but before we get there there's also

3311
02:26:27,261 --> 02:26:24,751
because we're talking about the the

3312
02:26:30,861 --> 02:26:27,271
universe and the connection and

3313
02:26:32,810 --> 02:26:30,871
consciousness there's always the the

3314
02:26:37,551 --> 02:26:32,820
question of deja vu

3315
02:26:41,690 --> 02:26:37,561
have you been through while creating

3316
02:26:44,361 --> 02:26:41,700
artwork and had some crazy deja vu that

3317
02:26:46,761 --> 02:26:44,371
you have been here before possibly

3318
02:26:49,491 --> 02:26:46,771
suggesting something from maybe even the

3319
02:26:53,301 --> 02:26:49,501
ancient past influencing where you are

3320
02:26:56,241 --> 02:26:53,311
now has that ever happened um that's

3321
02:26:57,140 --> 02:26:56,251
interesting question I can't I can't say

3322
02:26:59,571 --> 02:26:57,150
it's ever happened

3323
02:27:01,491 --> 02:26:59,581
in the course of creating artwork or

3324
02:27:05,301 --> 02:27:01,501
that I felt like this is you know this

3325
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:05,311
is strangely familiar to me I'm gonna

3326
02:27:07,551 --> 02:27:06,690
maybe start paying more attention that

3327
02:27:09,020 --> 02:27:07,561
now that you bring that because I don't

3328
02:27:12,831 --> 02:27:09,030
know if I really thought about it but I

3329
02:27:15,651 --> 02:27:12,841
have experienced déjà food that I know I

3330
02:27:17,121 --> 02:27:15,661
dreamt us before I'm like I like I had a

3331
02:27:19,310 --> 02:27:17,131
dream about this and then you know a

3332
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:19,320
very similar moment happens but it's not

3333
02:27:23,211 --> 02:27:21,570
of any sort of ancient in a sort of

3334
02:27:24,711 --> 02:27:23,221
thing it's more just like oh like I feel

3335
02:27:26,781 --> 02:27:24,721
like I've been in this moment before the

3336
02:27:28,390 --> 02:27:26,791
same as anybody else experience with

3337
02:27:31,121 --> 02:27:28,400
deja vu but it's an interesting

3338
02:27:33,560 --> 02:27:31,131
interesting idea about whether or not

3339
02:27:35,511 --> 02:27:33,570
you could you know that idea of tapping

3340
02:27:36,980 --> 02:27:35,521
into sort of like archetypal imagery and

3341
02:27:40,611 --> 02:27:36,990
this is these are things you've seen

3342
02:27:45,081 --> 02:27:40,621
before they just you know parts of the

3343
02:27:46,340 --> 02:27:45,091
human experience exactly and now I I'm

3344
02:27:48,109 --> 02:27:46,350
trying to think I got my hospital

3345
02:27:50,750 --> 02:27:48,119
back out later and more about that cuz

3346
02:27:53,719 --> 02:27:50,760
that's interesting and what about this

3347
02:27:58,160 --> 02:27:53,729
is a quick answer when you were over in

3348
02:28:01,490 --> 02:27:58,170
Egypt with jaws and chance did you have

3349
02:28:05,389 --> 02:28:01,500
any magical moments there at a temple or

3350
02:28:09,260 --> 02:28:05,399
structure a DejaVu type of spiritual

3351
02:28:11,389 --> 02:28:09,270
connection I can't say that I had a deja

3352
02:28:13,490 --> 02:28:11,399
boo' type of moment but I think it was

3353
02:28:15,320 --> 02:28:13,500
more just there's you're not going to go

3354
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:15,330
there and not be moved and not be in awe

3355
02:28:18,859 --> 02:28:17,010
of the an especially if you're an artist

3356
02:28:20,899 --> 02:28:18,869
and not being aught of just the skill

3357
02:28:24,439 --> 02:28:20,909
and the craftsmanship and and the

3358
02:28:28,040 --> 02:28:24,449
symbolism and I don't think I ever felt

3359
02:28:29,179 --> 02:28:28,050
like I had any sort of recollections or

3360
02:28:31,219 --> 02:28:29,189
anything like there was I mean it all

3361
02:28:32,660 --> 02:28:31,229
seemed new I mean I've never been to

3362
02:28:34,099 --> 02:28:32,670
Egypt so it all seems there wasn't a

3363
02:28:36,109 --> 02:28:34,109
point where I felt like oh this this

3364
02:28:38,269 --> 02:28:36,119
seems right to me it seems familiar but

3365
02:28:41,870 --> 02:28:38,279
I really cool if it did because who

3366
02:28:43,399 --> 02:28:41,880
doesn't want to have that let's take a

3367
02:28:45,979 --> 02:28:43,409
break right here Brad when we come back

3368
02:28:49,519 --> 02:28:45,989
we'll do we'll do some rapid fire stuff

3369
02:28:52,639 --> 02:28:49,529
with your artwork I'm very very curious

3370
02:28:54,500 --> 02:28:52,649
as to your actions and your answers to

3371
02:28:56,090 --> 02:28:54,510
certain things so let's do that we'll

3372
02:28:58,189 --> 02:28:56,100
take a quick break our guest night Brad

3373
02:28:59,929 --> 02:28:58,199
Claussen this is night three of our

3374
02:29:02,510 --> 02:28:59,939
Egypt week here on fade to black I'll be

3375
02:29:26,190 --> 02:29:02,520
right back stay with us

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02:29:31,719 --> 02:29:28,870
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02:29:37,139 --> 02:29:31,729
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02:29:55,970 --> 02:29:53,521
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3461
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:53,590
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

3462
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3464
02:34:04,389 --> 02:33:59,000
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3465
02:34:07,810 --> 02:34:04,399
it's not about Brad bad about Brad what

3466
02:34:16,599 --> 02:34:07,820
about those Insurance commercials well

3467
02:34:19,540 --> 02:34:16,609
my car's name is Brad is so funny so

3468
02:34:23,250 --> 02:34:19,550
funny okay so thank you for doing a

3469
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:23,260
little overtime with us and I you know I

3470
02:34:28,960 --> 02:34:27,170
can't let you get away and get out of

3471
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here without you know specifically

3472
02:34:34,179 --> 02:34:31,609
talking about some of your artwork in

3473
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:34,189
the inspiration behind it and we chose

3474
02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:37,010
when we went through and and Rita was

3475
02:34:43,380 --> 02:34:40,970
looking at your stuff she gravitated

3476
02:34:47,590 --> 02:34:43,390
towards like anybody's going to do that

3477
02:34:51,219 --> 02:34:47,600
Jacob's Ladder and we used that for the

3478
02:34:53,500 --> 02:34:51,229
show for promotion on the show it's a

3479
02:34:57,040 --> 02:34:53,510
pretty incredible piece of work and

3480
02:35:00,490 --> 02:34:57,050
what's the story behind it all right

3481
02:35:03,420 --> 02:35:00,500
it's just a play on the the caduceus the

3482
02:35:06,370 --> 02:35:03,430
symbol of the caduceus and the idea of

3483
02:35:10,620 --> 02:35:06,380
Jacob's Ladder being a symbol for the

3484
02:35:13,719 --> 02:35:10,630
human spine and you know that the Jacob

3485
02:35:16,090 --> 02:35:13,729
that has that vision where he he sees

3486
02:35:19,780 --> 02:35:16,100
God face to face and then he calls the

3487
02:35:24,480 --> 02:35:19,790
place Peniel he and I he well I believe

3488
02:35:28,170 --> 02:35:24,490
rights it's interesting close to ty Neil

3489
02:35:30,550 --> 02:35:28,180
but that idea that you you know in

3490
02:35:32,290 --> 02:35:30,560
ladders to her lost and found throughout

3491
02:35:33,880 --> 02:35:32,300
any sort of initiatic tradition where

3492
02:35:35,440 --> 02:35:33,890
you know there's an ascent up into

3493
02:35:38,349 --> 02:35:35,450
heaven or does you're either climbing up

3494
02:35:39,880 --> 02:35:38,359
a ladder or a stairway to heaven or you

3495
02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:39,890
turn into a bird and there's a flight

3496
02:35:44,260 --> 02:35:41,570
and there's some sort of you know upward

3497
02:35:47,139 --> 02:35:44,270
movement towards this sort of revelatory

3498
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:47,149
experience so that one's really just

3499
02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:48,890
about that idea of ascending up the

3500
02:35:53,800 --> 02:35:52,130
energy ascending up the spine to - you

3501
02:35:55,240 --> 02:35:53,810
know it's talking about the original I

3502
02:35:58,690 --> 02:35:55,250
think I call that the sushumna so it's

3503
02:36:00,550 --> 02:35:58,700
that idea of the Kundalini in this spine

3504
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:00,560
being this just this is shim the central

3505
02:36:02,410 --> 02:36:02,090
column and the tea snakes being either

3506
02:36:04,929 --> 02:36:02,420
in the

3507
02:36:08,219 --> 02:36:04,939
peggeleh going up going up the spine so

3508
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:08,229
that one's all just about this idea of

3509
02:36:15,700 --> 02:36:12,650
the biology or the anatomy of states of

3510
02:36:18,790 --> 02:36:15,710
enlightenment I'm so glad you didn't say

3511
02:36:20,500 --> 02:36:18,800
because it looked cool man because it

3512
02:36:23,740 --> 02:36:20,510
looked cool there are a couple there's a

3513
02:36:25,179 --> 02:36:23,750
couple approaches in my in my catalog

3514
02:36:26,380 --> 02:36:25,189
that are just that where it's some of

3515
02:36:27,929 --> 02:36:26,390
like why'd you do that like because I

3516
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:27,939
wanted to draw a shark

3517
02:36:33,310 --> 02:36:31,130
there's no profound interesting thing

3518
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:33,320
but and actually wonder you know the

3519
02:36:35,800 --> 02:36:34,640
wells relatively dry and you just you

3520
02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:35,810
just got to figure out something to do

3521
02:36:42,610 --> 02:36:40,250
but ya know I think most am I supposed

3522
02:36:43,929 --> 02:36:42,620
to I hopefully hopefully they're cool to

3523
02:36:45,700 --> 02:36:43,939
look at because that's sort of the

3524
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:45,710
premise of graphic design and any sort

3525
02:36:49,390 --> 02:36:47,810
of artwork but I for me like you talk

3526
02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:49,400
about making artwork for me for me it's

3527
02:36:54,910 --> 02:36:52,250
more interesting when I can encode this

3528
02:36:57,400 --> 02:36:54,920
other layer of meaning to things and so

3529
02:36:59,320 --> 02:36:57,410
especially if I can there's a post rated

3530
02:37:01,690 --> 02:36:59,330
for Pearl Jam and they played in Dublin

3531
02:37:03,070 --> 02:37:01,700
and trees are symbols for knowledge you

3532
02:37:05,500 --> 02:37:03,080
know and the old Celtic thing like that

3533
02:37:09,310 --> 02:37:05,510
and Pearl Jam has a song called in my

3534
02:37:10,300 --> 02:37:09,320
tree and it was one of the times where

3535
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:10,310
it all kind of works out where

3536
02:37:13,630 --> 02:37:11,930
non-election I relate to some sort of

3537
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:13,640
esoteric symbolism I can relate it to

3538
02:37:18,429 --> 02:37:15,530
the location I can relate it to the band

3539
02:37:21,310 --> 02:37:18,439
and lyrics the band has so I can tie in

3540
02:37:22,540 --> 02:37:21,320
all of these different layers of meaning

3541
02:37:24,340 --> 02:37:22,550
and those are usually to me my favorite

3542
02:37:26,890 --> 02:37:24,350
posters where there's you know four or

3543
02:37:29,770 --> 02:37:26,900
five different levels beep of why the

3544
02:37:38,620 --> 02:37:29,780
images is the images that it is do you

3545
02:37:40,210 --> 02:37:38,630
have a favorite Pearl Jam song and if

3546
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:40,220
this is one of those quick rapid-fire

3547
02:37:44,530 --> 02:37:41,840
questions that you're just gonna ask me

3548
02:37:46,450 --> 02:37:44,540
yeah we're gonna think this first song

3549
02:37:50,440 --> 02:37:46,460
it pops into my head is present tense I

3550
02:37:53,560 --> 02:37:50,450
really like that one okay but I you like

3551
02:37:56,770 --> 02:37:53,570
most of the heavier habit responses that

3552
02:37:59,530 --> 02:37:56,780
are you know I like the co animal I like

3553
02:38:01,000 --> 02:37:59,540
the fast angry mean songs and the

3554
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:01,010
ballads of all the stuff they're amazing

3555
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:02,090
they did a good job of that too but I

3556
02:38:05,950 --> 02:38:04,250
tend to like the the ones with some grit

3557
02:38:11,580 --> 02:38:05,960
and some some tanks than some anger in

3558
02:38:16,030 --> 02:38:11,590
the poster for flight to Mars which one

3559
02:38:21,880 --> 02:38:16,040
is the meting I'm looking at the

3560
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:21,890
the UFO is it what color is it blue blue

3561
02:38:27,850 --> 02:38:24,880
is Mike playing guitar or is it no good

3562
02:38:30,250 --> 02:38:27,860
there's many with UFOs okay this one is

3563
02:38:32,650 --> 02:38:30,260
with white reminds is a UFO tribute it's

3564
02:38:37,960 --> 02:38:32,660
Mike McCready tribute band to UFO right

3565
02:38:43,210 --> 02:38:37,970
and it's an ascension of somebody being

3566
02:38:45,700 --> 02:38:43,220
beamed up oh that was from like 2006 I

3567
02:38:48,100 --> 02:38:45,710
was from like the early days um yeah

3568
02:38:50,261 --> 02:38:48,110
that was basically just riffing on the

3569
02:38:51,550 --> 02:38:50,271
idea of UFOs that there's some hillbilly

3570
02:38:55,300 --> 02:38:51,560
in the woods with his six-pack of beer

3571
02:38:57,280 --> 02:38:55,310
and he's getting abducted and he's gonna

3572
02:38:59,740 --> 02:38:57,290
have a story later what's the fire in

3573
02:39:02,350 --> 02:38:59,750
the sky be Travis what's his like Travis

3574
02:39:04,630 --> 02:39:02,360
Walton yeah I think I think there might

3575
02:39:06,910 --> 02:39:04,640
be a little bit of that in there little

3576
02:39:08,261 --> 02:39:06,920
bit of Travis and there's also I'm gonna

3577
02:39:11,110 --> 02:39:08,271
say it

3578
02:39:15,011 --> 02:39:11,120
don't be offended I feel a little van

3579
02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:15,021
Gogh ish with this poster I wouldn't

3580
02:39:22,390 --> 02:39:17,200
feel offended by that at all yeah yeah

3581
02:39:24,670 --> 02:39:22,400
it feels a little you know the starry

3582
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:24,680
starry night with the blue swirls and

3583
02:39:35,740 --> 02:39:28,880
this world yeah it's very cool poster

3584
02:39:41,890 --> 02:39:35,750
okay let's go to the the Foo Fighters

3585
02:39:47,080 --> 02:39:41,900
with with the with what's the name of

3586
02:39:49,630 --> 02:39:47,090
the the P 48 plane oh yeah yeah well so

3587
02:39:51,790 --> 02:39:49,640
that was just unfortunately I think the

3588
02:39:53,800 --> 02:39:51,800
Foo Fighters get this a lot because

3589
02:39:56,620 --> 02:39:53,810
their name is based off of the when the

3590
02:39:58,360 --> 02:39:56,630
old world war 2 the people that saw UFOs

3591
02:40:00,400 --> 02:39:58,370
and stuff like that so unfortunately I

3592
02:40:01,900 --> 02:40:00,410
think I fell into this trap to the Foo

3593
02:40:04,300 --> 02:40:01,910
Fighters that you're gonna go to UFO

3594
02:40:07,330 --> 02:40:04,310
imagery you know just based off of the

3595
02:40:09,070 --> 02:40:07,340
name so it wasn't that that was a play

3596
02:40:10,570 --> 02:40:09,080
off of that too just the idea that you

3597
02:40:13,930 --> 02:40:10,580
know the idea of pilots encountering

3598
02:40:17,290 --> 02:40:13,940
these peculiar aerial phenomena have you

3599
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:17,300
seen anything in the sky have you had

3600
02:40:23,650 --> 02:40:21,290
your own UFO encounter I have had an

3601
02:40:28,960 --> 02:40:23,660
experience that I wouldn't I don't

3602
02:40:30,580 --> 02:40:28,970
I didn't strike me as being a UFO it

3603
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:30,590
how much time do we have it there's it

3604
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:31,850
would take a little bit of time to

3605
02:40:38,260 --> 02:40:34,970
explain it hey let's go let's go okay

3606
02:40:40,690 --> 02:40:38,270
well I was sitting out in my back yard

3607
02:40:42,790 --> 02:40:40,700
there's one summer where I sit out in

3608
02:40:44,980 --> 02:40:42,800
the backyard and my hammock and I'd look

3609
02:40:46,179 --> 02:40:44,990
up at the stars and I got really into

3610
02:40:48,340 --> 02:40:46,189
doing that one night and I went out

3611
02:40:50,740 --> 02:40:48,350
there one time with my dog Zoey and I

3612
02:40:52,090 --> 02:40:50,750
had her sitting on my chest and and it

3613
02:40:55,179 --> 02:40:52,100
was there was a genuine moment when I

3614
02:40:57,490 --> 02:40:55,189
really felt like true like unconditional

3615
02:41:00,250 --> 02:40:57,500
love for this being for my dog and and I

3616
02:41:01,330 --> 02:41:00,260
think that has something to do with it I

3617
02:41:02,740 --> 02:41:01,340
would I would sit on underneath the

3618
02:41:04,210 --> 02:41:02,750
stars and I would try and have just a

3619
02:41:05,770 --> 02:41:04,220
mantra so I could just sit up and stare

3620
02:41:08,010 --> 02:41:05,780
at the stars nothing my brain just run

3621
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:08,020
all over the place and I would always

3622
02:41:11,590 --> 02:41:10,160
repeat all you need is love by the

3623
02:41:14,830 --> 02:41:11,600
Beatles I just keep saying that over and

3624
02:41:16,210 --> 02:41:14,840
over again and so as I'm sitting out

3625
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:16,220
there in the hammock I'm hanging out

3626
02:41:19,360 --> 02:41:17,210
with my dogs

3627
02:41:21,070 --> 02:41:19,370
there was a voice in my head it was my

3628
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:21,080
voice it's my internal voice right it's

3629
02:41:24,280 --> 02:41:23,210
not some channeled voice so I think it's

3630
02:41:27,460 --> 02:41:24,290
the same voice that I hear in my head

3631
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:27,470
when I'm thinking but it said don't be

3632
02:41:33,370 --> 02:41:30,170
afraid if they turn your head to the

3633
02:41:35,020 --> 02:41:33,380
right and I was curious like I'll play

3634
02:41:37,870 --> 02:41:35,030
along with myself because I said it was

3635
02:41:41,110 --> 02:41:37,880
my voice in my head I turned my head to

3636
02:41:43,480 --> 02:41:41,120
write and it said can you see me and

3637
02:41:44,920 --> 02:41:43,490
there were like it was my time but

3638
02:41:46,480 --> 02:41:44,930
they're our neighbors and houses nearby

3639
02:41:47,860 --> 02:41:46,490
that had like back patio lights on so

3640
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:47,870
you can see some kind of shadows and

3641
02:41:51,460 --> 02:41:49,130
stuff like that I'm looking over these

3642
02:41:53,469 --> 02:41:51,470
bushes in my neighbor's yard and you can

3643
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:53,479
kind of make out I'm a visual person I

3644
02:41:57,160 --> 02:41:55,010
could kind of make out a silhouette in

3645
02:41:58,960 --> 02:41:57,170
the shadow of a head shoulders then I

3646
02:42:00,940 --> 02:41:58,970
was playing along with myself right if

3647
02:42:02,260 --> 02:42:00,950
that's if you're asking if I can see you

3648
02:42:03,700 --> 02:42:02,270
and there's a little this head and

3649
02:42:05,560 --> 02:42:03,710
shoulders over there I said you know

3650
02:42:07,179 --> 02:42:05,570
wait like I want to see this shadow like

3651
02:42:09,070 --> 02:42:07,189
let's see a way but this is this little

3652
02:42:12,610 --> 02:42:09,080
thought experiment that I'm doing with

3653
02:42:14,980 --> 02:42:12,620
myself right now and the nanosecond is a

3654
02:42:18,130 --> 02:42:14,990
minute that instantaneously that I said

3655
02:42:19,540 --> 02:42:18,140
it's this conversation my head was going

3656
02:42:23,260 --> 02:42:19,550
over said can you see me and I said

3657
02:42:26,860 --> 02:42:23,270
kinda ways there was a bright flash in

3658
02:42:29,050 --> 02:42:26,870
the sky like a big bright flash of a

3659
02:42:31,719 --> 02:42:29,060
star like it much bigger than you know

3660
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:31,729
obviously I'm 42 I've seen enough planes

3661
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:33,770
in the sky to see I know what a flashing

3662
02:42:40,780 --> 02:42:37,520
plane light looks like this was a big

3663
02:42:42,830 --> 02:42:40,790
bright just beacon of a star that's just

3664
02:42:43,940 --> 02:42:42,840
flipped and and it was so bright that

3665
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:43,950
was looking over to my side that it

3666
02:42:48,349 --> 02:42:46,410
caught my attention and and then it kind

3667
02:42:49,490 --> 02:42:48,359
of skipped like a stone it blanked and

3668
02:42:50,690 --> 02:42:49,500
one of the here and it blinked and it

3669
02:42:52,219 --> 02:42:50,700
went under that blinked and one over

3670
02:42:54,200 --> 02:42:52,229
that way again this was not a plane this

3671
02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:54,210
plane flying all over the place I know

3672
02:43:00,650 --> 02:42:58,800
what a plane looks like but maybe it was

3673
02:43:02,270 --> 02:43:00,660
a piece of debris in the sky that was

3674
02:43:03,500 --> 02:43:02,280
reflecting light as its skipping and

3675
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:03,510
it's something that's turning some piece

3676
02:43:06,860 --> 02:43:05,010
of we have so much satellite trash

3677
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:06,870
flying around our planet maybe it was

3678
02:43:09,260 --> 02:43:08,250
something that just catching reflective

3679
02:43:10,670 --> 02:43:09,270
light and it just happened to be

3680
02:43:13,460 --> 02:43:10,680
coincidentally when the minute I say

3681
02:43:14,210 --> 02:43:13,470
this thought experiment my head says can

3682
02:43:16,580 --> 02:43:14,220
you see me

3683
02:43:20,840 --> 02:43:16,590
and I said kind of wave there's this big

3684
02:43:22,760 --> 02:43:20,850
bright light in the sky I didn't think

3685
02:43:24,590 --> 02:43:22,770
at all that it was a UFO I didn't think

3686
02:43:26,510 --> 02:43:24,600
I instantly sort of thought of

3687
02:43:28,340 --> 02:43:26,520
consciousness I just to me it was just

3688
02:43:31,820 --> 02:43:28,350
this weird to sort of like the howls it

3689
02:43:33,500 --> 02:43:31,830
was sort of like and I was just grateful

3690
02:43:37,070 --> 02:43:33,510
and I was just thankful but at no point

3691
02:43:39,230 --> 02:43:37,080
did I think it was a UFO or it was alien

3692
02:43:41,150 --> 02:43:39,240
or there was any of that stuff to and I

3693
02:43:43,040 --> 02:43:41,160
was just sort of overwhelmed with

3694
02:43:44,719 --> 02:43:43,050
gratitude like by standing with owls

3695
02:43:46,820 --> 02:43:44,729
like I wasn't that was insane

3696
02:43:48,860 --> 02:43:46,830
that was like that was like nothing I've

3697
02:43:52,340 --> 02:43:48,870
ever experienced because of this weird

3698
02:43:56,060 --> 02:43:52,350
little exchange in my mind with myself

3699
02:43:58,310 --> 02:43:56,070
how cool is that right it was it was it

3700
02:43:59,570 --> 02:43:58,320
was it will be late and then you tell

3701
02:44:00,889 --> 02:43:59,580
people that story and they're like yeah

3702
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:00,899
they're called planes you know they're

3703
02:44:07,370 --> 02:44:03,200
whatever they make an election you know

3704
02:44:09,080 --> 02:44:07,380
it was if it was just if I just saw a

3705
02:44:10,580 --> 02:44:09,090
bright flashing light and it just you

3706
02:44:11,660 --> 02:44:10,590
know it skipped across the sky like a

3707
02:44:12,940 --> 02:44:11,670
stone that would have been cool on

3708
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:12,950
itself but it was the exchange

3709
02:44:18,920 --> 02:44:16,080
beforehand that's right it really you

3710
02:44:20,090 --> 02:44:18,930
know and and I don't know what it was I

3711
02:44:22,639 --> 02:44:20,100
don't know what that was or what

3712
02:44:25,790 --> 02:44:22,649
happened I wasn't afraid I wasn't scared

3713
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:25,800
I didn't you know I was just really

3714
02:44:30,020 --> 02:44:28,530
grateful and thankful in an are and just

3715
02:44:30,770 --> 02:44:30,030
sort of blown away like that was the one

3716
02:44:32,330 --> 02:44:30,780
of the coolest things I've ever

3717
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:32,340
experienced in my whole life like that's

3718
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:33,930
right that's right you know bring up

3719
02:44:39,980 --> 02:44:36,450
Brad I've had so many of those

3720
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:39,990
experiences now with with myself and

3721
02:44:46,099 --> 02:44:42,720
with others sometimes even hundreds of

3722
02:44:49,639 --> 02:44:46,109
people around me and we've all had that

3723
02:44:51,139 --> 02:44:49,649
happen together it's happened so much

3724
02:44:54,170 --> 02:44:51,149
now that

3725
02:44:58,040 --> 02:44:54,180
but when you go back to your first time

3726
02:45:01,029 --> 02:44:58,050
would you just told me you know okay

3727
02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:01,039
well yeah and I'm glad you enjoyed it

3728
02:45:06,679 --> 02:45:05,369
but the first time that it happens like

3729
02:45:10,819 --> 02:45:06,689
with you there that's a life-changing

3730
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:10,829
event and you can't express the meaning

3731
02:45:16,099 --> 02:45:13,770
of that with somebody else they just

3732
02:45:19,250 --> 02:45:16,109
don't get it like you just said it's a

3733
02:45:21,979 --> 02:45:19,260
plane dude come on man right right but

3734
02:45:24,019 --> 02:45:21,989
it is truly an epiphany

3735
02:45:26,330 --> 02:45:24,029
that's the only way it can be described

3736
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:26,340
it's it's a pretty amazing thing when it

3737
02:45:31,010 --> 02:45:29,520
happens the first time yeah and it very

3738
02:45:33,469 --> 02:45:31,020
well like I said I don't know enough

3739
02:45:35,449 --> 02:45:33,479
about how everything in the atmosphere

3740
02:45:36,590 --> 02:45:35,459
how all the satellites and Halliburton

3741
02:45:39,199 --> 02:45:36,600
Corbett was planning I always feel like

3742
02:45:41,630 --> 02:45:39,209
if aliens were ever to come to earth or

3743
02:45:43,790 --> 02:45:41,640
have been here they would see this like

3744
02:45:44,979 --> 02:45:43,800
planet full of junk orbiting it and

3745
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:44,989
they'd be like let's not go there

3746
02:45:48,889 --> 02:45:47,279
there's so many satellites and so much

3747
02:45:50,569 --> 02:45:48,899
debris that's you would look at it but

3748
02:45:53,210 --> 02:45:50,579
that looks cool but it's covered in junk

3749
02:45:55,370 --> 02:45:53,220
so I don't know I don't know enough

3750
02:45:57,739 --> 02:45:55,380
about what's happening up in the lower

3751
02:45:59,449 --> 02:45:57,749
levels atmosphere for metallic things to

3752
02:46:02,059 --> 02:45:59,459
be flipping and spinning and reflecting

3753
02:46:06,199 --> 02:46:02,069
light and so I had no idea what what

3754
02:46:08,599 --> 02:46:06,209
happened there but right my head it

3755
02:46:10,040 --> 02:46:08,609
doesn't change the experience it doesn't

3756
02:46:11,809 --> 02:46:10,050
know any other like I said the other

3757
02:46:14,029 --> 02:46:11,819
other interesting saying I'm not one of

3758
02:46:16,939 --> 02:46:14,039
these hippie dippie you know love and

3759
02:46:19,159 --> 02:46:16,949
light positivity super people I'm all

3760
02:46:22,819 --> 02:46:19,169
for you know positivity and light and

3761
02:46:24,769 --> 02:46:22,829
love but the idea that I was had my dog

3762
02:46:26,239 --> 02:46:24,779
and there was this moment it's just

3763
02:46:28,429 --> 02:46:26,249
truly like it was an interesting

3764
02:46:30,080 --> 02:46:28,439
awareness of myself like I love this

3765
02:46:31,849 --> 02:46:30,090
creature I love this beating and this

3766
02:46:33,080 --> 02:46:31,859
being is I just truly feel connected

3767
02:46:36,710 --> 02:46:33,090
bonded I think there was some sort of

3768
02:46:39,019 --> 02:46:36,720
weird openness that happened through my

3769
02:46:42,380 --> 02:46:39,029
head space or whatever just to just to

3770
02:46:44,840 --> 02:46:42,390
be in this place of openness and love

3771
02:46:46,340 --> 02:46:44,850
and gratitude and I feel like that had

3772
02:46:47,540 --> 02:46:46,350
something to do and I would imagine like

3773
02:46:49,010 --> 02:46:47,550
he talked about with groups with people

3774
02:46:51,969 --> 02:46:49,020
having these experience but maybe that's

3775
02:46:54,290 --> 02:46:51,979
part of it too if you get enough of a

3776
02:46:55,729 --> 02:46:54,300
positive energy or a group of people

3777
02:46:57,429 --> 02:46:55,739
together maybe there's maybe there's

3778
02:47:00,019 --> 02:46:57,439
something to be said for you know

3779
02:47:04,440 --> 02:47:00,029
there's no question about it we've got

3780
02:47:06,301 --> 02:47:04,450
to get you will get you out with us

3781
02:47:12,511 --> 02:47:06,311
you know what we do there's a place up

3782
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:12,521
near you at Mount Adams in Washington on

3783
02:47:18,030 --> 02:47:15,010
the border there with Seattle I'm you

3784
02:47:21,270 --> 02:47:18,040
know with Oregon and it's called a SETI

3785
02:47:24,030 --> 02:47:21,280
ranch and you can look it up CET i'ii

3786
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:24,040
settie ranch go there and heard of it

3787
02:47:31,470 --> 02:47:26,730
yeah go there and hang out with us and

3788
02:47:33,360 --> 02:47:31,480
that's it leave there it's like an ice

3789
02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:33,370
pick to the forehead man you leave there

3790
02:47:42,450 --> 02:47:39,010
stand stunned stunned okay next the

3791
02:47:48,030 --> 02:47:42,460
Metallica poster the the red white and

3792
02:47:52,261 --> 02:47:48,040
blue one with looks like while he's

3793
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:52,271
holding two hammers yeah well that one

3794
02:47:58,710 --> 02:47:56,250
was I think in wherever Lars is from

3795
02:48:01,560 --> 02:47:58,720
Herning I don't know if he's from

3796
02:48:02,881 --> 02:48:01,570
heininger he's from like the largest

3797
02:48:04,850 --> 02:48:02,891
rulers I want to say it was not the

3798
02:48:06,930 --> 02:48:04,860
nether and he's dutch right right

3799
02:48:08,730 --> 02:48:06,940
something like that well he was knighted

3800
02:48:10,650 --> 02:48:08,740
they made him a knight in whatever his

3801
02:48:13,530 --> 02:48:10,660
town that he where he was born where

3802
02:48:15,301 --> 02:48:13,540
he's from and I don't know if it was

3803
02:48:17,551 --> 02:48:15,311
exactly in Herning where that show was

3804
02:48:19,230 --> 02:48:17,561
if that was it but also in Herning on

3805
02:48:20,841 --> 02:48:19,240
there under crash they have hammers

3806
02:48:23,640 --> 02:48:20,851
there and so I just thought about this

3807
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:23,650
idea of a drummer with these hammers or

3808
02:48:29,100 --> 02:48:25,690
someone who's a knight and then and so

3809
02:48:31,890 --> 02:48:29,110
it's sort of a sort of a comment about

3810
02:48:33,390 --> 02:48:31,900
Lars you know if this idea of this you

3811
02:48:34,740 --> 02:48:33,400
know this Knight with his heavy camera

3812
02:48:37,051 --> 02:48:34,750
not that Lars Ulrich is the hardest

3813
02:48:40,320 --> 02:48:37,061
hitting drummer ever but you get the

3814
02:48:43,410 --> 02:48:40,330
idea you know this sort of this sort of

3815
02:48:47,490 --> 02:48:43,420
pummeling force of that is Metallica

3816
02:48:50,700 --> 02:48:47,500
this this juggernaut of of sound let's

3817
02:48:53,690 --> 02:48:50,710
go with Alice in Chains and it's the one

3818
02:48:57,180 --> 02:48:53,700
where you've got everything here

3819
02:48:59,881 --> 02:48:57,190
okay I don't know who the goddess is but

3820
02:49:02,011 --> 02:48:59,891
she's there you've got you've got the

3821
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:02,021
all-seeing eye you've got a planet looks

3822
02:49:08,881 --> 02:49:05,050
like as some DNA symbolism and it's it's

3823
02:49:11,850 --> 02:49:08,891
turquoise and black yeah that was there

3824
02:49:13,650 --> 02:49:11,860
was a I think that that for that one it

3825
02:49:15,720 --> 02:49:13,660
was sort of playing off the idea of Isis

3826
02:49:17,219 --> 02:49:15,730
this sort of Queen of Heaven and this

3827
02:49:19,440 --> 02:49:17,229
idea of

3828
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:19,450
of something swirling out of nothing if

3829
02:49:24,440 --> 02:49:21,520
this force swirling out have sort of the

3830
02:49:27,270 --> 02:49:24,450
you know that idea of chaos and and

3831
02:49:28,620 --> 02:49:27,280
forming there are two serpents and that

3832
02:49:31,280 --> 02:49:28,630
and there's a criss crossing kind of

3833
02:49:33,420 --> 02:49:31,290
caduceus that comes to it that is almost

3834
02:49:37,080 --> 02:49:33,430
precedes the Jacob's Ladder want to

3835
02:49:39,810 --> 02:49:37,090
serve a symbol a similar symbology of

3836
02:49:41,400 --> 02:49:39,820
this swirling caduceus that's been in

3837
02:49:43,679 --> 02:49:41,410
caduceus that gets you to this you know

3838
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:43,689
state of enlightenment yeah you've got

3839
02:49:49,920 --> 02:49:46,960
everything here man and a little you've

3840
02:49:53,370 --> 02:49:49,930
got a little cymatics going on and some

3841
02:49:56,790 --> 02:49:53,380
sacred geometry you left nothing out on

3842
02:49:58,469 --> 02:49:56,800
this poster yeah I like that yeah it's

3843
02:50:01,469 --> 02:49:58,479
pretty cool it's pretty cool

3844
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:01,479
let me see oh you know what I've got a

3845
02:50:11,310 --> 02:50:06,160
one of my it's visually so cool also the

3846
02:50:15,929 --> 02:50:11,320
Tron poster is is is really hateful but

3847
02:50:20,700 --> 02:50:15,939
the Wrigley Field I mean I did do you

3848
02:50:28,460 --> 02:50:24,540
it's just it's it's it's so it's it's

3849
02:50:30,150 --> 02:50:28,470
just a good-looking good-looking poster

3850
02:50:32,340 --> 02:50:30,160
thanks man

3851
02:50:34,290 --> 02:50:32,350
I get people that are looking to that

3852
02:50:36,090 --> 02:50:34,300
want one but I mean and as far as like

3853
02:50:38,130 --> 02:50:36,100
symbolism goes that one doesn't really

3854
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:38,140
have no it doesn't have any at all no

3855
02:50:49,620 --> 02:50:47,010
that's not the point but I was director

3856
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:49,630
Pearl Jam played Safeco and they played

3857
02:50:54,600 --> 02:50:53,200
Fenway this summer and if they keep

3858
02:50:56,310 --> 02:50:54,610
playing baseball stadiums I think I'm

3859
02:50:58,020 --> 02:50:56,320
going to run that concept in the ground

3860
02:51:00,510 --> 02:50:58,030
of using like old-timey baseball players

3861
02:51:01,560 --> 02:51:00,520
for this used it and enough I'm gonna

3862
02:51:07,620 --> 02:51:01,570
have to come up with something else

3863
02:51:12,990 --> 02:51:07,630
and now I need to go back to I'm a big

3864
02:51:17,640 --> 02:51:13,000
MC escher guy my favorite and and built

3865
02:51:20,460 --> 02:51:17,650
to built a spill here it's it's a

3866
02:51:22,980 --> 02:51:20,470
combination of things going on I see a

3867
02:51:26,550 --> 02:51:22,990
sure I see a little Picasso I see some

3868
02:51:29,940 --> 02:51:26,560
Brad Claussen that's a really really

3869
02:51:30,270 --> 02:51:29,950
really cool poster a modern take thanks

3870
02:51:31,060 --> 02:51:30,280
man

3871
02:51:34,360 --> 02:51:31,070
yeah it's

3872
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:34,370
that was an homage to Asher and I'm a

3873
02:51:38,530 --> 02:51:35,930
huge Asher fan and I feel like

3874
02:51:40,600 --> 02:51:38,540
unfortunately he gets pigeon told us you

3875
02:51:43,570 --> 02:51:40,610
know the the stoner college did the dorm

3876
02:51:45,011 --> 02:51:43,580
room poster and everyone seen me or the

3877
02:51:46,840 --> 02:51:45,021
famous ones and everybody has but if you

3878
02:51:48,730 --> 02:51:46,850
go deep into his his body of work

3879
02:51:50,860 --> 02:51:48,740
there's some there's some landscapes and

3880
02:51:52,390 --> 02:51:50,870
some other some pieces that are not as

3881
02:51:56,650 --> 02:51:52,400
familiar that I'd love some of my

3882
02:51:58,240 --> 02:51:56,660
favorite works of art and he's he's just

3883
02:51:59,890 --> 02:51:58,250
a whole other level of artists in my

3884
02:52:01,840 --> 02:51:59,900
opinion and like I said it's unfortunate

3885
02:52:04,660 --> 02:52:01,850
because there's puzzles and there's you

3886
02:52:06,460 --> 02:52:04,670
know mouse pads and coffee mugs and you

3887
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:06,470
know every there's just so much

3888
02:52:11,080 --> 02:52:08,000
merchandise that's been made of all his

3889
02:52:13,330 --> 02:52:11,090
stuff and it's kind of you know watered

3890
02:52:14,890 --> 02:52:13,340
down what how good he is and we all just

3891
02:52:16,270 --> 02:52:14,900
go yeah that's that poster from you know

3892
02:52:18,700 --> 02:52:16,280
someone's college dorm room or whatever

3893
02:52:20,140 --> 02:52:18,710
yeah when I was a kid I'll just say this

3894
02:52:22,060 --> 02:52:20,150
really quick when I was a kid I was like

3895
02:52:24,430 --> 02:52:22,070
nine ten years old and I was going to be

3896
02:52:27,160 --> 02:52:24,440
an artist and eventually did and that's

3897
02:52:30,250 --> 02:52:27,170
all fine but I got for my 10th birthday

3898
02:52:33,011 --> 02:52:30,260
I got the complete works of MC Escher

3899
02:52:37,690 --> 02:52:33,021
which was a famous book back in where

3900
02:52:40,840 --> 02:52:37,700
I'm talking about 1973-74 right in there

3901
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:40,850
but big thick oversized you know coffee

3902
02:52:47,290 --> 02:52:44,090
table book of everything that he had

3903
02:52:51,100 --> 02:52:47,300
ever done from from the first to the

3904
02:52:53,261 --> 02:52:51,110
last and I you're absolutely right there

3905
02:52:55,630 --> 02:52:53,271
are things by a sure that were not

3906
02:52:57,940 --> 02:52:55,640
famous that were some of my favorite

3907
02:52:59,770 --> 02:52:57,950
things that he had ever done just an

3908
02:53:01,300 --> 02:52:59,780
extraordinary yeah guy you know people

3909
02:53:02,020 --> 02:53:01,310
just like Italian landscapes they're

3910
02:53:04,200 --> 02:53:02,030
just beautiful

3911
02:53:06,100 --> 02:53:04,210
it's not some tricky like you know

3912
02:53:08,710 --> 02:53:06,110
visual thing it's just that landscape

3913
02:53:11,770 --> 02:53:08,720
yep and I appreciated his mathematics

3914
02:53:15,070 --> 02:53:11,780
you know and I I you know I totally get

3915
02:53:18,460 --> 02:53:15,080
that but his he was just a great artist

3916
02:53:21,970 --> 02:53:18,470
he had a really good son yeah things now

3917
02:53:26,940 --> 02:53:21,980
one of my favorite posters of yours

3918
02:53:30,700 --> 02:53:26,950
believe it or not is Faith No More and

3919
02:53:34,180 --> 02:53:30,710
now go ahead have at it because

3920
02:53:35,590 --> 02:53:34,190
everything is here well so that I guess

3921
02:53:36,670 --> 02:53:35,600
before that tour it was called the

3922
02:53:38,261 --> 02:53:36,680
second coming because I think it was

3923
02:53:40,450 --> 02:53:38,271
like a reunion tour of faith know maybe

3924
02:53:43,690 --> 02:53:40,460
husband I don't remember it's 2009 and

3925
02:53:44,900 --> 02:53:43,700
so just that they said they had to have

3926
02:53:47,240 --> 02:53:44,910
the second coming on the PO

3927
02:53:52,341 --> 02:53:47,250
and and and and so just playing off of

3928
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:52,351
that was this idea of I think at that

3929
02:53:55,430 --> 02:53:53,760
point too you know that that whole like

3930
02:53:56,900 --> 02:53:55,440
if that passage from the Bible that

3931
02:53:58,220 --> 02:53:56,910
everybody talks about a sign hi be

3932
02:54:01,820 --> 02:53:58,230
singled and the whole body will filled

3933
02:54:02,900 --> 02:54:01,830
with light you know I - I think para did

3934
02:54:04,580 --> 02:54:02,910
that idea that that was speaking

3935
02:54:05,631 --> 02:54:04,590
specifically about the pie meal now I

3936
02:54:06,890 --> 02:54:05,641
don't know if I think it's someone

3937
02:54:09,620 --> 02:54:06,900
speaking about the pineal more just

3938
02:54:11,420 --> 02:54:09,630
about singular vision or holistic vision

3939
02:54:14,480 --> 02:54:11,430
you know if your if your vision is

3940
02:54:16,580 --> 02:54:14,490
singular and you're seeing everything

3941
02:54:18,200 --> 02:54:16,590
you know it's it's holistic then then

3942
02:54:21,381 --> 02:54:18,210
the whole body will fill the light so it

3943
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:21,391
was it was a play off of data again that

3944
02:54:24,710 --> 02:54:23,760
idea of anytime there's an I in any of

3945
02:54:28,881 --> 02:54:24,720
my stuff it's talking about

3946
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:28,891
enlightenment and and it was and I like

3947
02:54:32,060 --> 02:54:30,570
the idea to the idea of the band name

3948
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being face no more that you don't need

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02:54:35,810 --> 02:54:34,141
face anymore because you know so you

3950
02:54:37,640 --> 02:54:35,820
don't need to you know there's no more

3951
02:54:39,140 --> 02:54:37,650
faith necessary you already you have

3952
02:54:41,060 --> 02:54:39,150
knowledge and it's not something that

3953
02:54:43,580 --> 02:54:41,070
you just hope is true and you know it's

3954
02:54:46,870 --> 02:54:43,590
true and and that one has two serpents

3955
02:54:50,591 --> 02:54:46,880
in it to you and so it was yeah and

3956
02:54:54,950 --> 02:54:50,601
we've got to wrap this show so before

3957
02:54:56,960 --> 02:54:54,960
let me go direct with this poster

3958
02:54:59,210 --> 02:54:56,970
because you've got two serpents you've

3959
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got a pyramid you've got the pineal

3960
02:55:04,700 --> 02:55:00,900
gland you've got the third eye you've

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got two all-seeing eyes you've got an

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02:55:12,261 --> 02:55:07,351
individual you've got hands holding the

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02:55:14,841 --> 02:55:12,271
serpents you've got possibilities of so

3964
02:55:18,470 --> 02:55:14,851
many other things here all wrapped up

3965
02:55:21,261 --> 02:55:18,480
into one is this a dangerous zone to go

3966
02:55:23,810 --> 02:55:21,271
into in that somebody's gonna say oh

3967
02:55:25,900 --> 02:55:23,820
look at all of this symbolism I mean

3968
02:55:30,140 --> 02:55:25,910
come on they're not even hiding the fact

3969
02:55:31,250 --> 02:55:30,150
right ya know and I'm sure people I'm

3970
02:55:33,381 --> 02:55:31,260
sure people would there's probably

3971
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people who are listening to this this

3972
02:55:36,860 --> 02:55:34,710
right now that I've never seen my work

3973
02:55:38,980 --> 02:55:36,870
that will go in and look at my work and

3974
02:55:41,060 --> 02:55:38,990
Ecko this is all esoteric occult

3975
02:55:42,620 --> 02:55:41,070
Freemasonry symbolism this and like we

3976
02:55:44,990 --> 02:55:42,630
were talking about with howls and Moloch

3977
02:55:46,761 --> 02:55:45,000
I think and and that's like I said

3978
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before the risk that I run sometimes

3979
02:55:49,970 --> 02:55:47,940
when I include some of these things

3980
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because like I said the bands don't ask

3981
02:55:55,310 --> 02:55:53,730
me to do it and and I wonder like if

3982
02:55:57,200 --> 02:55:55,320
they're gonna be upset I'm sort of

3983
02:55:58,740 --> 02:55:57,210
forcing it on them I'm forced in my own

3984
02:56:01,320 --> 02:55:58,750
want to express

3985
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symbolism on bands that haven't asked

3986
02:56:05,010 --> 02:56:01,810
for it

3987
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you know in any way shape or form so I

3988
02:56:08,700 --> 02:56:06,900
do get there is there is the

3989
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apprehension sometimes where I'm like

3990
02:56:12,930 --> 02:56:11,410
this could ruffle some feathers or I

3991
02:56:14,340 --> 02:56:12,940
could at least upset the people that I'm

3992
02:56:15,600 --> 02:56:14,350
working for you but we're not gonna work

3993
02:56:16,980 --> 02:56:15,610
abroad anymore he caused a bunch of

3994
02:56:18,420 --> 02:56:16,990
controversy because you know the good

3995
02:56:19,890 --> 02:56:18,430
cause he's making us he's putting

3996
02:56:22,530 --> 02:56:19,900
imagery attaches that we don't want to

3997
02:56:26,010 --> 02:56:22,540
attach to us but no one said anything at

3998
02:56:27,900 --> 02:56:26,020
this point and you get otherwise they

3999
02:56:29,580 --> 02:56:27,910
just go cool poster they're just stoked

4000
02:56:31,470 --> 02:56:29,590
on it there's no like we saw that

4001
02:56:33,450 --> 02:56:31,480
all-seeing eye and we're glad you put it

4002
02:56:35,540 --> 02:56:33,460
in there we saw that all saying I am how

4003
02:56:39,420 --> 02:56:35,550
dare you put that in right it's it's a

4004
02:56:40,650 --> 02:56:39,430
it's it's interesting and I think I

4005
02:56:42,030 --> 02:56:40,660
think but with artists I think they're

4006
02:56:45,810 --> 02:56:42,040
okay with it I think most of the bands

4007
02:56:47,370 --> 02:56:45,820
are okay with people being unsure push I

4008
02:56:49,890 --> 02:56:47,380
think you know it's the same thing like

4009
02:56:51,390 --> 02:56:49,900
a punk rocker who wears a swastika on a

4010
02:56:52,830 --> 02:56:51,400
jacket because he wants to get a rise

4011
02:56:54,450 --> 02:56:52,840
out of somebody you know it doesn't mean

4012
02:56:56,250 --> 02:56:54,460
he's a Nazi but he's just like I know

4013
02:56:59,040 --> 02:56:56,260
this is going to confront people and

4014
02:57:01,680 --> 02:56:59,050
cause them to be upset so I think

4015
02:57:04,910 --> 02:57:01,690
artists do you have that idea of being

4016
02:57:07,650 --> 02:57:04,920
okay with pushing people to you know

4017
02:57:08,880 --> 02:57:07,660
uncomfortable places and have to wonder

4018
02:57:10,530 --> 02:57:08,890
in fact why is that in there why are

4019
02:57:13,170 --> 02:57:10,540
they using that you know I think I think

4020
02:57:16,200 --> 02:57:13,180
I think there are certain artists that

4021
02:57:19,500 --> 02:57:16,210
are okay with using symbolism that's

4022
02:57:21,540 --> 02:57:19,510
maybe you know people are uncertain

4023
02:57:23,160 --> 02:57:21,550
about it and just keeping it mysterious

4024
02:57:24,810 --> 02:57:23,170
when adding to their own mystique but

4025
02:57:28,230 --> 02:57:24,820
that's just my own no one's ever said

4026
02:57:30,870 --> 02:57:28,240
that this is me now I've got I've got a

4027
02:57:33,660 --> 02:57:30,880
roll credits in 30 seconds so answer

4028
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:33,670
this as quick as possible I went through

4029
02:57:42,750 --> 02:57:36,730
all of your stuff and I saw an absence

4030
02:57:46,200 --> 02:57:42,760
of thoth why I thought the Ibis said it

4031
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:46,210
got yes I would say he's in there I

4032
02:57:50,460 --> 02:57:48,160
would say any time you see that I that

4033
02:57:52,470 --> 02:57:50,470
that service is in there that the

4034
02:57:54,870 --> 02:57:52,480
representation of thought and thinking

4035
02:57:59,760 --> 02:57:54,880
and no consolation and the revelation

4036
02:58:02,460 --> 02:57:59,770
sauce the god yeah okay so Stan that's

4037
02:58:05,240 --> 02:58:02,470
why I think every time I'm using the

4038
02:58:08,310 --> 02:58:05,250
symbolism of the eyes I associate be a

4039
02:58:10,170 --> 02:58:08,320
sauce there so this idea of thought and

4040
02:58:11,430 --> 02:58:10,180
contemplation and wisdom and so he's not

4041
02:58:12,809 --> 02:58:11,440
in there with his head he's not in there

4042
02:58:17,099 --> 02:58:12,819
for I feel like he's

4043
02:58:19,019 --> 02:58:17,109
he's referenced that's a good answer

4044
02:58:22,530 --> 02:58:19,029
that was a political answer that was

4045
02:58:25,290 --> 02:58:22,540
safe hey Brad amazing show thank you so

4046
02:58:27,929 --> 02:58:25,300
much and I can't wait for your

4047
02:58:30,360 --> 02:58:27,939
presentation for the magical Egypt

4048
02:58:32,130 --> 02:58:30,370
symposium I can't wait for episode 6 I

4049
02:58:34,290 --> 02:58:32,140
think maybe you and I might even do

4050
02:58:37,050 --> 02:58:34,300
something you know we might both be in

4051
02:58:39,480 --> 02:58:37,060
that episode but nonetheless thank you

4052
02:58:41,250 --> 02:58:39,490
so much this conversation was all of

4053
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:41,260
that and I really appreciate you taking

4054
02:58:45,540 --> 02:58:43,930
the time tonight thank you so much thank

4055
02:58:47,880 --> 02:58:45,550
you so much for having me into time to

4056
02:58:50,400 --> 02:58:47,890
chat with me and we'll do it again soon

4057
02:58:57,840 --> 02:58:50,410
thank you so much Brad okay

4058
02:59:00,179 --> 02:58:57,850
go create Brad Claussen amazing

4059
02:59:04,050 --> 02:59:00,189
now his website of course if you need

4060
02:59:05,610 --> 02:59:04,060
any artwork done artillery design calm

4061
02:59:07,650 --> 02:59:05,620
you can go right there the links are

4062
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:07,660
Jimmy Church radio calm go to magical

4063
02:59:12,990 --> 02:59:10,960
Egypt dot-com and go check out Brad's

4064
02:59:15,170 --> 02:59:13,000
presentation for the magical Egypt

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02:59:18,090 --> 02:59:15,180
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